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Temple of the Roguelike / Re: The Temple is crumbling down...
« on: April 06, 2019, 07:24:10 AM »A lot of people say this kind of thing with the assumption that authority will fall on their side, but I think your post could be seen as pretty abrasive itself, no less so than what Krice normally says.Ah, the predictable, template strawman defence of "but you're rude yourself!" - as if you really failed to comprehend that my abrasiveness stems strictly from exasperation at the situation here and as if couple of posts equalled hundreds. This has been going on for many many years, I myself quit discussions on this form in 2016, so have some perspective. You also handily avoid the crux of my argument: "... it is NOT about disagreeing [...] it is about being a c**t when disagreeing ...".
Not that there is anything wrong with being abrasive. I just want to emphasize that strict moderation and a "civil" community would not necessarily translate into a more pleasant environment.
Not to mention the fact that obviously civil discussion and stricter moderation does translate to a more pleasant environment. Unless our definitions of "pleasant" vary wildly.
On any normal forum Krice would be kicked out to the curb long time ago, and it has nothing to do with some edgy (read: tedious, with added bonus of semi-coherent) opinions. We all have them, it's fine. I'm talking about using ad hominem profanities and repetitive BS spamming which in some cases could constitute as harrasement. That on top of unrelated occasional homophobic/misogynistic/racist musings.
And the real problem is not one sad individual - we're on teh intehnets after all - but the fact that this behaviour was/is tolerated by the staff and often enabled - if not downright supported - by the regulars here. Or rather, some sort of skeleton crew, if we're talking about present day, pun unintended. The difference when I joined this board was that it was populated by numerous quality posters who, while also edgy & opinionated managed to conduct themselves without resorting to base behaviour and were able to construct logical arguments. They were also quick to shoo the troll away. Sadly, they all seem to have disappeared over the years - leaving this place in a grotesque situation where the only real, if unoffical, mod is a toxic hater. A true "Protector of the @", you couldn't make this up :)
It's quite paradoxical for me to admit that reddit - which, alongside assorted - I previously thought a breeding ground for this kinda of behaviour - actually wins here and now the r/roguelikes is the only place which could be called a home of the roguelike community. Sure, you can see heated arguments but ones which are either conducted in civilised fashion or either quickly put down by others or the mods, who are fairly active. And it does a good job of keeping the classic RL spirit alive. Sadly, it suffers from flash-in-the-pan syndrome, the voting nonsense, and is no match for forums as a medium, and this is why it'd be nice to be able to reclaim this one.
Judging by the hilarious way how this thread turned into yet another inane and pointless anti-rogulite/what-is-a-roguelike ramble it was partially supposed to mock, with the OP being told to take his whining elsewhere in the first reply, it's not happening anytime soon though :)
@Slash & getter77: I wish you well and respect the work you put in this far but the truth is that unless you make some substantial changes this place will at best remain what it is now - which is not good at all - or at worst just die completely. Which, on reflection, perhaps would be for the better, as much as it pains me to say so.
