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Game Discussion => Classic Roguelikes => Topic started by: Fenrir on November 18, 2010, 10:14:14 PM
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Why--by the gods--why, did you decide that the player should lose a turn for canceling a command? I'm sorry; I know I should have been watching my mana, but, when I told you that I didn't want to exhaust myself casting that spell, why did you let the caveman bash Quag's brains in?
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Quag St: 9 Le:21 Wi:15 Dx:19 To:12 Ch:16 Ap: 7 Ma:20 Pe:16 N=
DV/PV: 16/3 H: -3(55) P: 3(86) Exp: 11/23280 PC: 5 Sp: 97
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Background Information
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Name: Quag Race: male Gnome Class: Elementalist
Eye color: brown Hair color: brown Complexion: tanned
Height: 3'4" Weight: 108 pounds
Age: 117 (grown-up)
Star sign: Falcon Birthday: 6/Falcon (day 216 of the year)
YOUR HISTORY:
Your parents are travelling adventurers. They are doing moderately
well but are talented enough to survive.
As a child your parents cared a lot for you. Despite all
circumstances you enjoyed a happy and fine childhood.
During your youth you embarked on many small journeys to nearby
towns on behalf of your parents. You learned to know lots of people and
made many friends.
Your path was always clearly lying before you. You knew about your
destiny since your earliest years and fortunately your grandfather
supported your wishes. You managed to find a competent trainer and began
your studies.
You decided to become a Elementalist.
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Inventory
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Total weight: 946 stones Carrying capacity: 960 stones
Head : -
Neck : -
Body : uncursed robe [+0, +1] [60s]
Girdle : -
Cloak : -
Right Hand : uncursed quarterstaff (+0, 1d10+2) [40s]
Left Hand : -
Right Ring : blessed ring of minor elemental mastery [+2, +2] [1s]
Left Ring : -
Bracers : -
Gauntlets : -
Boots : uncursed gnomish boots (+1, +0) [+2, +0] [10s]
Missile weapon: -
Missiles : -
Tool : uncursed torch (1088 turns of fuel remaining) [10s]
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Stuff
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Total weight: 825 stones Carrying capacity: 960 stones
Girdles ('[')
uncursed mithril girdle [+0, +2] [20s]
Necklaces (''')
uncursed amulet of perseverance {Wi+3} [3s]
uncursed brass amulet [3s]
Tools (']')
heap of 2 uncursed torches [20s]
uncursed box with flint and steel (25) [5s]
uncursed tinderbox (6) [3s]
cursed tinderbox (18) [3s]
uncursed box with flint and steel (23) [5s]
Rings ('=')
uncursed ring of fire resistance [1s]
uncursed ring of searching [1s]
uncursed ring of cold resistance [1s]
Wands ('\')
uncursed wand of door creation (0 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of stunning (7 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of door creation (4 charges) [3s]
uncursed wand of acid (1 charge) [4s]
Potions ('!')
heap of 2 uncursed potions of healing [8s]
heap of 4 uncursed potions of water [16s]
Scrolls ('?')
uncursed scroll of vermin control [2s]
uncursed scroll of charging [2s]
Books ('"')
uncursed spellbook of Darkness [100s]
Food ('%')
cursed iron ration [100s]
uncursed large ration [200s]
heap of 2 uncursed loaves of bread [80s]
blessed large ration [200s]
uncursed hurthling cake [30s]
Valuables ('$')
982 gold pieces [9s]
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Weapon Skills
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Melee weapon Lvl Hit Dam DV Level Required marks
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Unarmed fighting 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 30
Daggers & knives 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 30
Clubs & hammers 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 30
Maces & flails 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 30
Swords 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 30
Axes 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 30
Whips 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 30
Pole arms 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 30
Twohanded weapons 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 30
Staves 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 2
Missile weapon Lvl Hit Dam Ra Level Required marks
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Slings 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 14
Bows 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 14
Crossbows 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 11
Thrown axes & hammers 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 14
Thrown daggers 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 14
Thrown rocks & clubs 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 14
Thrown spears 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 14
Boomerangs & scurgari 0 +0 +0 +0 unskilled 14
Shields Lvl DV Level Required marks
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Shields 0 +0 unskilled 30
Damage caused with your melee weapons:
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Right hand: +10 bonus to hit, 1d10+2 damage
Damage caused with your missile weapons:
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No missile weapons available.
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Skills
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Climbing ............. 61 (good) [+1d5]
Concentration ........100 (superb) [+1d5]
First aid ............ 56 (good) [+1d5]
Gemology ............. 51 (good) [+1d5]
Haggling ............. 54 (good) [+1d5]
Healing .............. 56 (good) [+1d5]
Listening ............ 61 (good) [+1d3]
Literacy ............. 83 (great) [+1d5]
Metallurgy ........... 72 (great) [+2d4]
Mining ............... 51 (good) [+3d4]
Pick pockets ......... 11 (mediocre) [+3d3]
Survival ............. 37 (fair) [+2d4]
Swimming ............. 45 (fair) [+3d5]
Ventriloquism ........ 30 (mediocre) [+2d4]
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Spells
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Burning Hands: 305, 5pp (Effectivity: +16)
Darkness : 266, 4pp (Effectivity: +0)
Earthquake : 10, 80pp (Effectivity: +0)
Fire Bolt : 206, 9pp (Effectivity: +9)
Fireball : 6, 20pp (Effectivity: +1)
Frost Bolt : 550, 11pp (Effectivity: +7)
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His achievements during his adventures:
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Quag, the gnomish elementalist, was killed by a caveman.
He scored 27671 points and advanced to level 11.
He survived for 0 years, 3 days, 5 hours, 50 minutes and 7 seconds (5803
turns).
Quag visited 8 places.
His charisma score was modified by +2 during his career.
His mana score was modified by +2 during his career.
He ended his adventuring life on level 5 of a dangerous cave at the Drakalor
Pass.
226 monsters perished under his attacks.
He possessed the following intrinsics:
He was fire resistant (enhanced through an item).
He was cold resistant (gained through an item).
He was shock resistant (gained through an item).
He had the following talents: Boon to the Family, Charged, Charming, Heir,
Long-Lived, Long Stride, Potent Aura.
He had a final speed score of 97 (final base speed: 102).
He was religious.
He did not ask for divine help.
He was neutrally aligned.
He was slightly tainted by Chaos.
The following monsters were vanquished:
1 berserker
1 berserker lord
5 black hurthlings
3 blink dogs
2 bugbears
1 carrion crawler
1 cave fisher
1 cave lizard
1 caveman
1 chaos brother
1 chaos rat
3 chaos sisters
1 claw bug
1 cutpurse
2 dark elven wizards
2 dark sages
1 dire wolf
1 displacer beast
3 dopplegangers
1 eye of destruction
1 fairy dragon
9 fire beetles
2 fire lizards
1 floating eye
1 gargoyle
1 ghost
1 ghost bat
7 ghuls
1 giant ant queen
7 giant ant warriors
6 giant ant workers
2 giant bats
3 giant centipedes
4 giant lizards
2 giant rats
3 gnolls
7 goblins
9 goblin rockthrowers
5 goblin slavemasters
1 gray ooze
3 green worms
1 gremlin
2 hell hounds
4 hobgoblins
1 hobgoblin chief
2 huge bats
2 imps
1 jackal
1 karmic lizard
8 kobolds
3 kobold chieftains
11 large bats
2 large gnolls
1 large jackal
8 large kobolds
2 large orcs
6 large spiders
2 lizard men
2 minotaurs
2 necromancers
1 ogre
1 ogre magus
10 orcs
1 orc chieftain
2 orc scorchers
1 outlaw leader
1 owlbear
1 pixie
2 rabid dogs
3 raiders
6 rats
1 ratling archer
1 ratling duelist
1 ratling thief
3 ratling warriors
2 shadows
2 skeletons
1 staring eye
3 swordsmen
4 tarantulas
1 white baby dragon
1 wolf
1 yellow ooze
6 zombies
Seriously, people, please make your roguelikes don't take a whole turn if the player cancels a command for lack of mana. Think of Quag's family.
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I can only guess, but it's probably because of the time system.
In Wizard's Quest cancelling spell will cost you both time and mana.
Because the spell is first being casted and only than targeted and thrown.
Again in WQ it is possible to start casting spell without enough mana, and successfully cast it,
because mana will regenerate during casting.
There were a lot even stupider YASDs :)
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Man, that's lame.
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Ah, well, I'm too zap-happy when playing elementalists anyway. If I kept using my spells like I was, I think Quag would have lost his spells completely as leveling became slower. I figure I need to train some weapon skills if I play an elementalist again.
There were a lot even stupider YASDs :)
Yes. Yes there are.
[...]
Savveth, the gray elven elementalist, was crushed by a toppling door.
He scored 1694 points.
He survived for 0 years, 0 days, 22 hours, 42 minutes and 47 seconds (127
turns).
Savveth visited 3 places.
His appearance score was modified by +1 during his career.
He ended his adventuring life in the small village dungeon on dungeon level
1.
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Why--by the gods--why, did you decide that the player should lose a turn for canceling a command?
I think he didn't decide that, it was left in by accident.
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I remember thinking the same thing.
I think its because it does a spell cast check before you cast it, which takes a turn. If the cast failed it would obviously still take a turn. Still I agree it is just wrong.
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I think that's a bug, and there are lots of much more important bugs in ADOM.
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I think that's a bug, and there are lots of much more important bugs in ADOM.
Yeah, and it's kind of sad how things went for Biskup. That he is so busy with real life that there is no way he can do anything about ADOM or JADE.
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I'm not informed on this situation. What happened to Mr. Biskup?
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He is just so busy that he cannot fix the remaining bugs in ADOM (some of which are very nasty... of course ADOM is a great game even with them). And it should be possible to fix most of these bugs quite easily and release the ultimate, almost perfect ADOM (just to fix these bugs, no new features added or anything that takes time), I don't know why he prefers working on JADE -- sure, writing a new game is more fun than fixing bugs in an old one, and we all want a game that is even greater than ADOM, but given the amount of time he has, I doubt that he will finish it in a reasonable time, and that it will be as great as he intends.
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I don't know why he prefers working on JADE
What makes you think he is working on JADE? Let's deal with it, his game development hobby is now over. He's working in real job and has a real girlfriend (not just jpeg ones like we have).
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In fact it's more serious than that - he runs his own company and is married.
I will say to the original poster though, you should have been wearing that girdle. The weak shall be punished :P
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I didn't wear the girdle because I didn't know what effect metal armor has on spell casting. I just assumed it is bad.
What makes you think he is working on JADE? Let's deal with it, his game development hobby is now over. He's working in real job and has a real girlfriend (not just jpeg ones like we have).
Fenrir smirks.
Need JPG's compression for your girlfriend's great size, Krice? You should be careful; it could leave artifacts.
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I didn't wear the girdle because I didn't know what effect metal armor has on spell casting. I just assumed it is bad.
No need to worry. Spellcasters in ADOM may wear and wield whatever they want, to no adverse effect, as far as I know.
As always,
Minotauros
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Have to disagree and claim it's a design choice.
Canceling other commands doesn't cost a turn afaik. It's just spells.
And since casters are ultrapowerfull anyway, it's really a minor thing to loose some time if you interrupt a spell in the middle of casting (At least thats how I always saw it. You start casting, realize that this will seriously exhaust you to follow through and stop, thus loosing time.)
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Ah, well, bug or feature, it was seriously my fault anyhow, as I was already aware that canceling would cost time.
No need to worry. Spellcasters in ADOM may wear and wield whatever they want, to no adverse effect, as far as I know.
That changes things some, I expect. Thanks.
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What makes you think he is working on JADE? Let's deal with it, his game development hobby is now over. He's working in real job and has a real girlfriend (not just jpeg ones like we have).
lol krice one day you should really speak your mind :D
Although theres truth in what you say , it is nice to think he is still working on Jade but the realist in me says its well on the back burner.
I liked ADOM alot but it seems to get grindy as hell about mid to late game which is always what stops me playing, I am tempted to start a new game but around about the time you get the portal open its a total grind for gear and I never seem to manage it
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Something seems to be happening. I think the good news is that iADOM code (fixed bugs) is ported to main version as well. But that facebook stuff makes me angry. How sad is it to ask people join facebook to get more visibility for some advertising?
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Sad? seems like a completely viable advertising method... you must use what you have at your disposal, and in the case of Thomas, that would be his fanbase.
I'd call it being proactive... you can battle your way thru life or just wait thing to come to you,.
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I think Thomas has made his Facebook move in a weird way. What he did is "if you are a fan, add me as a friend". I think that friend lists should be for real personal friends (of course some of them might come from the ADOM community), and ADOM fans should join a fan page. This would be probably actually even better for promotion than what he did (I see when my friend becomes a fan or a friend, but if I don't know what ADOM or Thomas Biskup is, seeing "is now a fan od ADOM" makes me interested what ADOM is, and seeing "is now friends with Thomas Biskup" makes me think it is just some person that I don't know). (I think I should mention this on his blog, but it requires registration to leave a comment, and I don't want to do that.)
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Hmm, you are absolutely right Mr. Z... what he did was not the *right* usage for facebook...
I wonder if he knew and went against it or he was not well aware...
The good thing in the end is that a bunch of adom lovers met each other and he's getting feedback from his fans (he could have done that thru a fan page too)
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There is little reason to suppose that the man knows very much about how to use social media to the best effect. It's not like he is losing sales over it, so I don't think it is urgent that he be told, but I expect someone should tell him...
... but not before I get Mr. Biskup on my friends list!
Fenrir squeals with glee.
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The good thing in the end is that a bunch of adom lovers met each other and he's getting feedback from his fans (he could have done that thru a fan page too)
He could have done that through his existing forums, which are currently wallowing under the burden of spam posts without an effective moderator...
But yeah, it seems he's new to Facebook and doesn't really know how it all works. Either that or he had a bet with someone about how many friends he could get in x days.