The Temple is crumbling down...

[Skeletor]

I remember I used to hate Krice when I first joined the forum after some months spent lurking.
But then I gradually started to like him more and more due to his intelligent clear cut contributions, often original and insightful. Now I consider him an asset.
Not sure whether some could be discouraged by his presence on the board but the disclaimer under his username should do the trick.

I don't think this place is dead (and won't be until 7DRL and Slash are alive), but I did notice a big drop in activities which coincidentally happened during the transition to SmallMachines forum, which IIRC resulted in the forum not being accessible for some time initially and this graphical restyle which I never really liked.
I wish we could go back to the old black theme with custom avatars.

The thing is there's too many avenues for discussion on roguelikes so they all get diluted.
I remember there was this unofficial Adom forum (anyone remembers user BrazilianWeirdVideos? lol) which was very active, then reddit became the thing (and still has good activity), then ChaosForge (DoomRL mostly) got quite a lot of activity, and so on.

[Slash]

I *think* we have always been using SMF? we just had a very baaad hacking attempt or spambot situation, or both, and I could no longer keep the original theme. I keep thinking on bringing it back, even if the current one is more _readable_, it just has no personality.

[corremn]

I get bullied with nonsense because I'm an actual roguelike developer and have strong opinions about roguelike games and the genre.

Wait...what? You are a roguelike developer?

[Krice]

Wait...what? You are a roguelike developer?

Yes. I'm planning to github Kaduria's source code so everyone interested can follow the development. The src release is actually quite close, just have to handle some data problems first.

[Darren Grey]

The rudeness from certain members here is unbearable at times. If there was real moderation it could have been nipped in the bud a long time ago. But it's far too late now. The place will just slowly fade.

Right now reddit seems to have the most active roguelike community message board. The development board is good too. Both have strict moderation when it comes to flaming so things are kept civil. The roguelike/roguelite debate comes up now and then, but it doesn't derail every topic like here.

[Krice]

The rudeness from certain members here is unbearable at times. If there was real moderation it could have been nipped in the bud a long time ago. But it's far too late now. The place will just slowly fade.

It's not too late. What is really rude is not addressing those "certain members" directly. It's almost if everything bad is because of them, which is not true. The thing is, roguelikes (real ones) are not interesting for developers, because they are too hard to create! It's easier to create a roguelike and then try to sell it, which is easier in "forums" (more like advertising platforms) like Reddit where wrong opinions are deleted.

[pat]

Hey Krice, any update on a release date for Kaduria? Looking forward to playing 1998’s best roguelike in the year 2019

[Krice]

Hey Krice, any update on a release date for Kaduria?

I think it's not going to work like that. When I put the source code on github you can only follow it and that's basically the story. The game itself? Who knows, maybe some day it will be some kind of game, I guess?

[Krice]

Just going to put it here, but I noticed wxwidgets forums is using a clever way to clean bots which is your first couple of posts are moderated, they don't show immediately but go through check. That way moderators can delete bots before they even can post anything. Smart!

[guest509]

Oh Jesus. You guys are still letting Krice take a shit all over this forum? hahah. I called for his banning years ago.

It's nothing personal, but if you want an active forum, you can't have guys like Krice around. Clearly. Maybe it is personal, I dunno. I left because why deal with such aggravation?

Krice you're still calling yourself a Roguelike developer? How long has it been since a release Krice? 10 years? What a fool. I just logged on for the first time in years, and let me guess, this fucker is still yapping about "is it a roguelike" and what language to use and pretending his pirate game is still a thing. I could be wrong. I used to post all the time and waited YEARS to play Krice's Kadra game or whatever, to see if he was really full of shit or not, but never got so much as a screen shot.

Good luck Temple. I used to love thee.

[Krice]

his pirate game is still a thing.

It is, but it seems to require more work than I thought, but I guess that's roguelike developing for you. The difficulty of real roguelike development is reflected in this forum as "slow" pace and honestly I think it's worse in Reddit's RL dev where everyone is just not developing roguelikes but something else. I get nothing out reading that "forum", but the users are I guess younger people starting RL development so let's give them time, like 10-20 years of time.

[pat]

I reckon almost everyone in the roguelikedev subreddit is developing a traditional roguelike. In fact, I can't think of a prominent example of someone who isn't.

[Krice]

but if you want an active forum, you can't have guys like Krice around.

At first I thought this is not worth even answering, but since there are people like you I might try to say something about this. You know, I'm just a regular user of this forum, there is nothing special about me. I can't make people leave, they make that decision themselves. My opinion about roguelikes is perfectly compatible with "Berlin interpretation" or any sane one regarding what a roguelike is. The real irony here is that you are making a personal attack based on nothing, not me. I never attack the person, only what he claims about roguelikes or any other subject.

[TheCreator]

I just logged on for the first time in years, and let me guess, this fucker is still yapping about "is it a roguelike" and what language to use and pretending his pirate game is still a thing.

You just logged on for the first time in years and all you've got to say is a bunch of random f***s thrown at one of the few who's still here? I don't think it will help to revive this forum and does not make a perfect goodbye message, either.

Speaking of never-ending development. There are people whose goal is to gain some temporary fame and maybe earn some money with their games. That's OK. There are also people who write games for pure fun. For those, I guess, it couldn't matter less whether it's 2 years or 20 years. When it's fun, it could as well last forever, why not? Why banning people for that? Tell me.

[guest509]

I just logged on for the first time in years, and let me guess, this fucker is still yapping about "is it a roguelike" and what language to use and pretending his pirate game is still a thing.

You just logged on for the first time in years and all you've got to say is a bunch of random f***s thrown at one of the few who's still here? I don't think it will help to revive this forum and does not make a perfect goodbye message, either.

Yes. I'm throwing fucks at the dumb cunt who runs everyone off. The one who killed your forum. I've seen him do it a dozen times back in the day, being a negative little bitch to new people who we never see again.

I'm shocked he's still around. Serious people have very little time to deal with negative little shits who want to argue, win the internet, and generally bum everyone out. Krice is especially bad because he's a total bullshitter, fake developer, buttressing his horseshit on false credibility.

Ban the charlatan a few years ago, like I said, and this forum could have thrived. Maybe. Now, never.

Running a forum is hard. You have to kick the toxic web warriors shitting on everything, even if they didn't technically break any rules. Or else you lose most people. Many admins don't have the balls to be that authoritarian, so fall back on 'open discussion' and such, a free speech rationale. That's all fine, but it kills a forum dead. I've seen it half a dozen times now, forums of all types.

The forum I'm in now has an invite policy, and a don't be a dick policy. If your use of the forum is to argue or win a debate, instead of discuss, and yes there's a huge fucking difference, then you get banned. Instantly.

I logged back in over the last week or so because I was helping with the Roguelike Archive project, and noticed this place is still plagued by that fake bullshitter, Krice, pretending to still be a developer. What a joke.

And yes these are personal attacks. Yes I'm telling him to fuck off. He can have his false moral high ground all he wants. You can check my history, this isn't the first time I've called him a dumb cunt. And somehow even I haven't been banned, or even warned to my recollection. It's unreal.