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Announcements => Traditional Roguelikes (Turn Based) => Topic started by: javelinrl on July 15, 2016, 07:25:18 PM
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Hello veterans and rookies! Today Javelin 1.6 is being released! It’s a big one so let’s get to it!
For those new to the game you can find out all about it here https://javelinrl.wordpress.com/2016/07/15/hello-world/
You can download your copy of Javelin 1.6 right here https://github.com/tukkek/javelin/releases/download/1.6/javelin.zip
If you have any sort of problem running the game check the link above for further instructions.
This release brings some changes to the early and late game, while also creating a new well-defined end-goal for each game. Besides a lot of new monsters for low level characters to duel against there are also new starting locations that will help you get the party started: the Adventurers Guild lets you apply starting kits to your units while the Training Hall provides an early challenge that also promises great rewards in a low-danger environment.
You will now find 7 temples scattered throughout the world map: each of them is a persistent, multi-level dungeon and holds a Relic on their deepest levels – each a powerful item on its own and now essential to winning the game, as you need to collect every relic to do so! Hopefully this will make each game feel more like a story while also providing interesting strategic decisions – should you rush towards each temple to reap the benefits from its Relic as soon as possible or level up enough to be able to face them with ease later on? Will your priority be vanquishing the forgotten temples or conquer the entire world map first?
There are new special locations too! The Summoning Circle lets your characters learn powerful summoning spells to bring forth allies during battle and the Pillar of Skulls, a macabre but powerful ally will accept several sorts of sacrifices and grant you fair boons for your trouble!
This release brings the full set of terrains predicted in the d20 rules – and with that also a system of seasons and natural hazards which you’ll discover while exploring the game world. Sail uncharted waters and try to find your way through massive sandstorms! This new system also makes world movement more dynamic and even lets you shape the world with your town workers – Civilization style!
The interface has been improved as well: you can now put your units under the control of the computer, activate quick combat (combat results are calculated automatically), edit your preferences and key settings via in-game screens and take notes with the new journal feature! The save system is faster, more robust and creates backups of your progress every time the game is started. A few bugs have been fixed too so if you had trouble losing progress on earlier versions please give this one a try! The AI now constantly monitors its own performance and suggests fixes if your configuration is less than optimal for the game. If and when an error occurs a lot more information is shown so you can submit it as a bug report.
And these are just a few of the new features! Check out the other highlights here:
New locations: 7 temples, 11 mage guilds, troves and mines!
New starting locations: Training Hall and Adventurers Guild!
New unique locations: Summoning Circle and Pillar of Skulls!
Around 50 new monsters!
New end-game goal: bring the 7 Relics to Haxor!
All game images can now be easily modified! (mod/skin support)
New damage effects: poison, paralysis, fear
Burrow movement
New item type: wands
New skills: use magic device and heal
New transport: sailing ship
More realistic, dynamic land movement
Seasons, new terrains and terrain features
Town workers let you build roads, settlements and more
Player units can now be set to automatic (controlled by AI)
New party option: strategic combat (skips random encounters)
Preferences and command keys can now be edited in-game
In-game journal for taking notes
More information on errors, for easier bug reporting
Improved save system, also creates automatic backups
AI system now monitors thinking speed and corrects itself if slow
183 monsters
47 items, 12 artifacts
63 upgrades, 49 spells, 13 skills
22 battle maps
Full post with more screenshots and information https://javelinrl.wordpress.com/2016/07/15/javelin-1-6/
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Congrats on yet another very robust release from the looks of it---each one of these only further loads the dice in your favor! 8)
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I wonder why Javelin makes so little success here while it's generally well-received elsewhere (if not a huge hit either).
Anyways, like most open-source developers I'm just trying to make the game that I want to play, I'm just happy if others come along for the ride :) Thanks for the compliments once again!
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U/I and Graphical polish will get there in time to "catch up" with the massive variety and depths of systems you've got going now that you've got some help on that front---that's one of the main things as far as juicing the lot of it up. Might be able to draw in a fair bit first from the P&P communities side of things as more structure and narrative aspects get nailed down and polished in tun. Possibly also good old fashioned Java Reticence, heh.
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I wonder why Javelin makes so little success here
It is a roguelike, right?
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U/I and Graphical polish will get there in time to "catch up" with the massive variety and depths of systems you've got going
Yeah it's quite a lot of work rewriting quite possibly all of the UI. Honestly rewriting stuff is often harder than creating things from scratch - as you say there is a lot to rewrite :P I"m not looking forward to doing it on my own, though with next release I'll see about adding basic mouse support. As you say it will probably help the game a lot to become and easier an more fun experience - though you'd imagine roguelike fans would feel at home with keyboard-only input...
more structure and narrative aspects get nailed down and polished in tun.
Let me know if you have any ideas!
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It is a roguelike, right?
I've got some feedback that it's not but I see it as a roguelike-like, leaning towards being TBS and a "normal" RPG game. It's really between genres I believe but if you'll take a look at the Berlin interpretation it's clear most roguelike aspects are present http://www.roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Berlin_Interpretation
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What bothers me is the backgrounds of characters. I guess they are to differentiate them from background objects, but I don't like the look of solid color behind them. I guess the tiles are stackable? I suggest tinting the background instead.
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Yeah, a lot of this comes down to "OK, what approaches are the Best In Class taking across the spectrum(of modern Roguelikes and cRPGs)? Right, XYZ. So, how to aim for at least parity on all fronts possible and then trying to slip ahead in the footrace here and there..."
Based on earlier reckonings and elsewhere, starting from the absolute default baseline of Snappy/Smooth Turns is probably another big thing as even in full on TBS fare the clock is still loudly ticking here in reality looking into the machine and even enthusiast folks have general expectations---folks only chill naturally when crazy generating and/or happenings are demonstrably going down as per 4X Illwinter CoE/Dominions, Dwarf Fortress, etc.
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What bothers me is the backgrounds of characters. I guess they are to differentiate them from background objects, but I don't like the look of solid color behind them. I guess the tiles are stackable? I suggest tinting the background instead.
I know exactly what you're talking about. I've tried that but when I tint the background it loses the definition of the health indicator (color strength). The transparency means that the contrast between the brighter full life and duller injured hues is too small to be of clear significance.
My top priority right now ts working on a new screen that will be faster to process (you won't believe how many speed hacks are in the current one - https://github.com/tukkek/javelin/blob/master/javelin/view/screen/BattleScreen.java). It should look roughly the same but allow mouse support and incremental rendering during battle and world exploration. I'll see what I can do about the monster's background, maybe just draw a footer instead of the whole tile. Let me know if you have other ideas since now would be the perfect time to try them out!
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So, how to aim for at least parity on all fronts possible and then trying to slip ahead in the footrace here and there..."
I'll probably sound smug as fuck saying this but I don't think there is any free game that compares to Javelin in this genre. At least not when it comes to multi-platform open-source titles. To be honest if there was any I wouldn't even have bothered starting the project in the first place. To be honest I don't even think there are any open-source TBS out there that compare (in my personal opinion) - Wesnoth and UFO:AI are nice but they really don't hit that sweet spot for me, the likes really great games like Heroes of Might and Magic and Jagged Alliance achieve. Let me know if I'm missing any great games that do.
I haven't played any of the titles you mentioned except DF but even then I think Javelin is ahead in gameplay. Sure, I'm sounding smug again but for starters you don't need to wait half an hour for world generation and the game is a lot simpler while maintaining a comparable level of strategic complexity - there may be less individual nuts and bolts involved but I don't think micro-managing your nation's inventory down to the number of axes and hammers is what makes a game good.
As far as the other titles go, let me know where I'm lagging behind in parity since I'd love to catch up as much as time permits. No need to talk interface here though since I'm well aware that is a huge let down in Javelin - unfortunately this will need to wait a bit longer until a total UI overhaul.
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Well, I was speaking in absolutes really---commercial or otherwise, even at this end of the crazy pool it is unavoidable that you'll be going up against others new and old in these accelerated times of indie and hobbyist games alongside the rest. Nailing a distinctive style/feel/personality to the game is key atop a robustly functional interactive apparatus that enables and encourages such as opposed to bogging things down or obfuscating needlessly. Heh, if you like the older HoMM games I'd probably say take a crack at Palm Kingdoms II(went free recently), and III when it happens, by iosoftware.
My examples were to do with constraints being factored into the flavor and appeal in such a way that they become part of the shared ritual, as it were. If everything somehow loaded in DF so fast that you couldn't hope to read or get any sort of spectacle out of it, well, the game would actually lose some charm probably, heh. Based on mass combat and D20 reckonings in 2D combat, I'd say definitely check out some videos at least of Conquest of Elysium IV as it is probably one of the nearest neighbors out there already in terms of the starting, albeit lo-fi, approach and availing with some transparency of at least DSomething dice rolls. Granted, folks fuss about it amply for a host of other reasons, but it at least gives some food for thought and vicarious stress testing of ways and means.
Heh, all I'll say on interface is that should the need for a fair number of ingame key presses be high even amidst your mouse support aims, you could definitely find an at least inspirational path for use and presentation in Knights of the Chalice as it handled it rather well even back in the old demo. 8) Anything that can be configured ingame at a main start menu and the like, probably should be versus any file hunting in the folder(s)~
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It's really between genres I believe but if you'll take a look at the Berlin interpretation it's clear most roguelike aspects are present
What aspects? Can't you give a simple answer? When I read the description it was also hard to understand what kind of game we are talking about. You seem to mention roguelike often, but apparently the game is a D20 RPG.
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Oh man, I didn't notice this thread... Gonna play the new version today!
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Well, I was speaking in absolutes really---commercial or otherwise, even at this end of the crazy pool it is unavoidable that you'll be going up against others new and old in these accelerated times of indie and hobbyist games alongside the rest. Nailing a distinctive style/feel/personality to the game is key atop a robustly functional interactive apparatus that enables and encourages such as opposed to bogging things down or obfuscating needlessly. Heh, if you like the older HoMM games I'd probably say take a crack at Palm Kingdoms II(went free recently), and III when it happens, by iosoftware.
My examples were to do with constraints being factored into the flavor and appeal in such a way that they become part of the shared ritual, as it were. If everything somehow loaded in DF so fast that you couldn't hope to read or get any sort of spectacle out of it, well, the game would actually lose some charm probably, heh. Based on mass combat and D20 reckonings in 2D combat, I'd say definitely check out some videos at least of Conquest of Elysium IV as it is probably one of the nearest neighbors out there already in terms of the starting, albeit lo-fi, approach and availing with some transparency of at least DSomething dice rolls. Granted, folks fuss about it amply for a host of other reasons, but it at least gives some food for thought and vicarious stress testing of ways and means.
Heh, all I'll say on interface is that should the need for a fair number of ingame key presses be high even amidst your mouse support aims, you could definitely find an at least inspirational path for use and presentation in Knights of the Chalice as it handled it rather well even back in the old demo. 8) Anything that can be configured ingame at a main start menu and the like, probably should be versus any file hunting in the folder(s)~
Looks like Palm Kingdoms classic is for Windows mobile only, unfortunately. Yes I know in absolutes I can't compete with commercial games - but that is fine, I'm in this for the freedom. The freedom to make my own thing, to cover a niche that I feel is empty in the current open-source strata, to give the players the freedom to alter their game (even the images are super-easy to change nowadays) like I've done (and contributed) to DCSS and other titles before with code and comments.
Conquest of Elysium IV is commercial and I have no interest in paying for games at this point - if you can link me a fair review from the top of your head I'd be happy to read/watch it. though Again freedom is what drives much of the project for me - I've been using Linux at home, using it pretty much exclusive for work too and (humble) gaming and never paid a single cent for any of it. It comes a time right now when I feel like I can give back something of my own to the FOSS community. It's not all about money either - it's the things I've said above too plus that some commercial games won't run on older hardware and also the fact that undeniably most commercial games need to make concessions on their style to suit a larger audience, which bothers me when I don't have full access to modify the game. Of course there are here and there state-of-the-art games that bother none with such non-sense but I really don't want to or feel like I need to support the gaming industry right now when so many other causes deserve my money/time/energy much more.
Knights of the Chalice too is Windows-only so I can't try it atm.
> all I'll say on interface is that should the need for a fair number of ingame key presses be high even amidst your mouse support aims
Oh well that's d20 for you :) You'd roughly have to roll the same number of dies as you do clicks in the game right now when playing tabletop. I think the system is pretty fun and I think Paizo and the entire D&D 3.0-3.5 team would agree too, not to mention all the publishing companies for d20 and fans who still play the game today despite 4e and 5e being out for a while already. The battles certainly take seriously a lot less time than playing D&D for real or even playing wargames and hopefully the entertainment factor is not too different (even if it's no replacement to the real thing)! I guess I'm the one talking in absolutes now, but it's all in good faith :D Putting some units on automatic mode or making message delay/thinking time faster can help the impatient ones as well, as will mouse support help a bit!
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Hi Aleksanderus, have fun trying the game out, let me know if you enjoy it :)
What aspects? Can't you give a simple answer? When I read the description it was also hard to understand what kind of game we are talking about. You seem to mention roguelike often, but apparently the game is a D20 RPG.
Sure, I can give a simple answer! Here are the roguelike aspects Javelin has:
Major ones
3.1 Random environment generation
3.2 Permadeath
3.3 Turn-based
3.4 Grid-based
3.6 Complexity
3.7 Resource management
3.8 Hack'n'slash
3.9 Exploration and discovery
Minor ones
4.2 Monsters are similar to players
4.3 Tactical challenge
4.5 Dungeons
4.6 Numbers
So pretty much all of them except: non-modal, single player character and ASCII display.
ASCII display is something many roguelikes don't do. Most roguelites aren't even turn based (3.3). The cult classic roguelike UnReal World doesn't feature dungeons at all (4.5). There are other party-based roguelikes instead of single character (4.1) - like Temple of torment.
If we can agree here that games can not follow the entire set of expectations and still be roguelikes I think Javelin fits the bill spot-on. If you can't agree that Javelin is a roguelike then I can't see how you'd disagree it's a roguelike-like http://www.roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Roguelike-like.
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There are other party-based roguelikes instead of single character (4.1) - like Temple of torment.
Quite possibly nitpicking, but it's a solo game with optional party members :). I've balanced the game to solo play and made the game artificially harder with party members with scaling monsters.
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Well, I was speaking in absolutes really---commercial or otherwise, even at this end of the crazy pool it is unavoidable that you'll be going up against others new and old in these accelerated times of indie and hobbyist games alongside the rest. Nailing a distinctive style/feel/personality to the game is key atop a robustly functional interactive apparatus that enables and encourages such as opposed to bogging things down or obfuscating needlessly. Heh, if you like the older HoMM games I'd probably say take a crack at Palm Kingdoms II(went free recently), and III when it happens, by iosoftware.
My examples were to do with constraints being factored into the flavor and appeal in such a way that they become part of the shared ritual, as it were. If everything somehow loaded in DF so fast that you couldn't hope to read or get any sort of spectacle out of it, well, the game would actually lose some charm probably, heh. Based on mass combat and D20 reckonings in 2D combat, I'd say definitely check out some videos at least of Conquest of Elysium IV as it is probably one of the nearest neighbors out there already in terms of the starting, albeit lo-fi, approach and availing with some transparency of at least DSomething dice rolls. Granted, folks fuss about it amply for a host of other reasons, but it at least gives some food for thought and vicarious stress testing of ways and means.
Heh, all I'll say on interface is that should the need for a fair number of ingame key presses be high even amidst your mouse support aims, you could definitely find an at least inspirational path for use and presentation in Knights of the Chalice as it handled it rather well even back in the old demo. 8) Anything that can be configured ingame at a main start menu and the like, probably should be versus any file hunting in the folder(s)~
Looks like Palm Kingdoms classic is for Windows mobile only, unfortunately. Yes I know in absolutes I can't compete with commercial games - but that is fine, I'm in this for the freedom. The freedom to make my own thing, to cover a niche that I feel is empty in the current open-source strata, to give the players the freedom to alter their game (even the images are super-easy to change nowadays) like I've done (and contributed) to DCSS and other titles before with code and comments.
Conquest of Elysium IV is commercial and I have no interest in paying for games at this point - if you can link me a fair review from the top of your head I'd be happy to read/watch it. though Again freedom is what drives much of the project for me - I've been using Linux at home, using it pretty much exclusive for work too and (humble) gaming and never paid a single cent for any of it. It comes a time right now when I feel like I can give back something of my own to the FOSS community. It's not all about money either - it's the things I've said above too plus that some commercial games won't run on older hardware and also the fact that undeniably most commercial games need to make concessions on their style to suit a larger audience, which bothers me when I don't have full access to modify the game. Of course there are here and there state-of-the-art games that bother none with such non-sense but I really don't want to or feel like I need to support the gaming industry right now when so many other causes deserve my money/time/energy much more.
Knights of the Chalice too is Windows-only so I can't try it atm.
> all I'll say on interface is that should the need for a fair number of ingame key presses be high even amidst your mouse support aims
Oh well that's d20 for you :) You'd roughly have to roll the same number of dies as you do clicks in the game right now when playing tabletop. I think the system is pretty fun and I think Paizo and the entire D&D 3.0-3.5 team would agree too, not to mention all the publishing companies for d20 and fans who still play the game today despite 4e and 5e being out for a while already. The battles certainly take seriously a lot less time than playing D&D for real or even playing wargames and hopefully the entertainment factor is not too different (even if it's no replacement to the real thing)! I guess I'm the one talking in absolutes now, but it's all in good faith :D Putting some units on automatic mode or making message delay/thinking time faster can help the impatient ones as well, as will mouse support help a bit!
-PK II is there free, though for Win/Mac only which sounds like it would still be prohibitive in your case
http://www.palmkingdoms.com/en/pk2.html
-With CoE IV it isn't even about a review---just search for a LP on it on Youtube and you can behold both the grappling and enjoyment of players with the combat system and general presentation at your leisure to then ponder on any given episode. I suspect KotC has vids as well just out there if discerning the approach from screenshots just doesn't do the trick vs seeing it in motion.
-Sure you can compete with commercial projects---the lines have never been blurrier in terms of dev tools and distribution as well as ease of access to information and research material across the spectrum. 8) Having bits and pieces able to be modded every which way is good for posterity---but first there has to be hooks/value in the standards presented to compel folks in the first place to invest themselves in the direction of the design.
-It is fine to have lots of rolls/actions/etc---just want to have the summation readily displayed onscreen so folks can start to learn the most common keys and whatnot and have some visual associations start to build up vs just abstracts in their heads.
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-PK II is there free, though for Win/Mac only which sounds like it would still be prohibitive in your case
Yeah, unfortunately :P
-With CoE IV it isn't even about a review---just search for a LP on it on Youtube
Thanks for the suggestion - I have added this one to my Watch Later list, let me know if you had any specific YouTuber in mind! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyJkjgvOnak&list=PLeqQwWDbnYKODvHiZOTcgGDN6jvfKdp3Q&index=1
Sure you can compete with commercial projects
Thank you for the positive and hopeful attitude :D but unfortunately I really can't - at least as far as graphics and polish is concerned (something Javelin gets a lot of criticism for, now that all the kids expect PS4 graphics out of any and each game). On the gameplay front maybe I can - and as I said I don't try to be the best... just being good enough plus the differential of being free and open-source for anyone to freely play and modify is already good enough in my book!
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Quite possibly nitpicking, but it's a solo game with optional party members :). I've balanced the game to solo play and made the game artificially harder with party members with scaling monsters.
Wow it's a honor to be talking with you! I didn't realize at first you were the dev for ToT! I've first heard of your game when I was doing a Javelin release a while ago - since then Javelin is often compared to Temple of Torment and Veins of the Earth, because of the party features / d20 system. Incursion too has been mentioned once but not nearly as much.
I really wanted to try your game out but since I'm on Linux and I don't do Wine (really, the 32/64 bits packages/libraries are a pain the ass to deal with, not to mention it rarely works well or out-of-the-box so I pretty much give up on Wine whenever I try to use it. I also remember it being real slow too when I managed to make it work once a long time ago). I only hear good stuff about your game! Congrats on being featured on RogueBasin too! I guess that's the biggest honor a roguelike can receive? :)
Sorry I haven't played your game (though I really was looking forward to it) but I'd love to trade war stories of roguelike-development with you some time! Hit me up on javelinrl@gmail.com if you ever wanna chat!
Also, even before I saw this message I'm replying to I did take your previous feedback to heart, here is the current development screenshot of 1.7, without the solid backgrounds. I'm still working on it.. I think this looks better but now it's kind of hard to distinguish the enemies from the normal background...
(https://i.sli.mg/XMGyK1.png)
Oh also, just to clarify: I think people often think of ToT as a party-based game, which is why I labeled it so even without having played it myself... just from the community's word-of-mouth, I guess you could say.
EDIT: what the screenshot doesn't show is the health bars now "go down" as you take damage. Sorry was too lazy to think of that before uploading the image.
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Wow it's a honor to be talking with you! I didn't realize at first you were the dev for ToT! I've first heard of your game when I was doing a Javelin release a while ago - since then Javelin is often compared to Temple of Torment and Veins of the Earth, because of the party features / d20 system. Incursion too has been mentioned once but not nearly as much.
And now I've also ventured to the Pathfinder stuff too (Gunslinger class, and the upcoming Shaman), as you are. I recall getter77 posting The Temple of Torment somewhere a long long time ago where you posted your game. I recall it was on some RPG forum. There were some traffic from that forum on my website :).
I really wanted to try your game out but since I'm on Linux and I don't do Wine (really, the 32/64 bits packages/libraries are a pain the ass to deal with, not to mention it rarely works well or out-of-the-box so I pretty much give up on Wine whenever I try to use it. I also remember it being real slow too when I managed to make it work once a long time ago). I only hear good stuff about your game! Congrats on being featured on RogueBasin too! I guess that's the biggest honor a roguelike can receive? :)
The Temple of Torment actually works on wine out of the box if I recall correctly. I was fairly surprised to see it on RogueBasin, but much less surprised it was Avagart's (from this forum / VedVid on reddit) doing :).
Sorry I haven't played your game (though I really was looking forward to it) but I'd love to trade war stories of roguelike-development with you some time! Hit me up on javelinrl@gmail.com if you ever wanna chat!
You should actually join the FAQ Fridays at reddit :).
Also, even before I saw this message I'm replying to I did take your previous feedback to heart, here is the current development screenshot of 1.7, without the solid backgrounds. I'm still working on it.. I think this looks better but now it's kind of hard to distinguish the enemies from the normal background...
EDIT: what the screenshot doesn't show is the health bars now "go down" as you take damage. Sorry was too lazy to think of that before uploading the image.
I absolutely like them, much better now :). They're not at all hard to distinguish from background.
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I really wanted to try your game out but since I'm on Linux and I don't do Wine (really, the 32/64 bits packages/libraries are a pain the ass to deal with, not to mention it rarely works well or out-of-the-box so I pretty much give up on Wine whenever I try to use it. I also remember it being real slow too when I managed to make it work once a long time ago). I only hear good stuff about your game! Congrats on being featured on RogueBasin too! I guess that's the biggest honor a roguelike can receive? :)
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Wine is not that hard! You just need to open winetricks and get directx n' shit from DLL menu.
Of course you can use virtual machine if you hate wine that much.
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I recall getter77 posting The Temple of Torment somewhere a long long time ago where you posted your game. I recall it was on some RPG forum. There were some traffic from that forum on my website :).
It has happened on more than one occasion though :D I'm pretty happy to be compared to such a well-received title! All the way!
You should actually join the FAQ Fridays at reddit :).
Haven't been much of a reddit user lately, don't plan on going back just for that unfortunately :P They sound pretty fun, as do the development updates but I feel it's more about each people talking to themselves, the discussion doesn't seem to grow. reddit is not really a platform for that, the way comment notifications work the discussions that do evolve are often between two people, then you might as well be using e-mail anyways. Forums like here are much better for on-going discussion between more of people.
I absolutely like them, much better now :). They're not at all hard to distinguish from background.
Thanks! I did pick a map with a more neutral background though, when there are lot of bushes and rocks around it can get quite hard on the eyes... even brighter tiles can "conceal" the creatures if their avatars are small, which is a problem especially in the early game.
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Wine is not that hard! You just need to open winetricks and get directx n' shit from DLL menu.
Of course you can use virtual machine if you hate wine that much.
As I've said I've got nothing but bad experiences with Wine so I think I'll be putting trying ToT out until I have access to a Win computer and a lot of time to play. Also learning how to setup a virtual machine and actually doing it, acquiring a legal copy of Windows, etc sounds like a lot of trouble to go for just one game.. I'm pretty fine with the games that work natively on Linux, web games and emulators (that are not Wine) now and again.
This is not any sort of attack towards ToT though, I'd be all over it if ran natively on Linux.
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Wine is not that hard! You just need to open winetricks and get directx n' shit from DLL menu.
Of course you can use virtual machine if you hate wine that much.
As I've said I've got nothing but bad experiences with Wine so I think I'll be putting trying ToT out until I have access to a Win computer and a lot of time to play. Also learning how to setup a virtual machine and actually doing it, acquiring a legal copy of Windows, etc sounds like a lot of trouble to go for just one game.. I'm pretty fine with the games that work natively on Linux, web games and emulators (that are not Wine) now and again.
This is not any sort of attack towards ToT though, I'd be all over it if ran natively on Linux.
Setting VM IS SOOOOO EASY (you make a name, create virtual disk and dedicate some RAM and you're done!). And also install os which is easy.
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I'm sure it's easy once you know how to do it but still there is a question of getting the Windows copy and I'm not looking to spend money or pirate a version if I can avoid it - as I'm also very happy to avoid having Windows installed in my computer in any way, shape or form, even emulated as I've told you. I simply don't need it.
I know you're trying to be a nice guy here, I really get it :) but chill out... I'll see about playing ToT next time I am around a Windows box and have some time to spare.
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I'm sure it's easy once you know how to do it but still there is a question of getting the Windows copy and I'm not looking to spend money or pirate a version if I can avoid it - as I'm also very happy to avoid having Windows installed in my computer in any way, shape or form, even emulated as I've told you. I simply don't need it.
I know you're trying to be a nice guy here, I really get it :) but chill out... I'll see about playing ToT next time I am around a Windows box and have some time to spare.
I've tried to make a native linux build but I never figured out how to make it non-dependent on the local file structure. Those who tested the linux build had error messages with my Debian installation's folders etc.
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Hello veterans and rookies! Today Javelin 1.6 is being released! It’s a big one so let’s get to it!
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Well I'm on mobile right now, but this looks incredible. I can't believe I haven't heard of this one yet
I absolutely love d20 on the tabletop
I will play tomorrow and then edit this message.
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Please make a new post instead of the edit. I'm currently working on basic mouse support so if that's important to you I suggest waiting a week or so before I come out with an early version for it! Just let me know if that's the case so I can make sure to post an alpha here!
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I've tried to make a native linux build but I never figured out how to make it non-dependent on the local file structure. Those who tested the linux build had error messages with my Debian installation's folders etc.
I was just writing a long-ass post telling you how to overcome this problem in a few simple steps but then I noticed you're doing closed-source development. Bummer. I guess your best bet then is to provide a pre-compiled .deb that requires the proper packages of each library. Of course you'd have to do this too with .rpm and other formats if you want to support the full Linux spectrum.
If you ever consider making the game open-source (not necessarily free software, you can keep your copyrights to the game and release the source anyways) I'd be more than glad to make it Linux-friendly. Linux users don't expect a pre-compiled version (though it's always nice to have one) - if you just give them a Linux download which is the source code and easy to build (standard being ./configure;make;make install) it is a 100% fair game - a lot of games and other projects do this for their Linux versions. I'd even offer myself to do the Linux build-tool work for you if I could get it to compile here first.
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I was just writing a long-ass post telling you how to overcome this problem in a few simple steps but then I noticed you're doing closed-source development. Bummer. I guess your best bet then is to provide a pre-compiled .deb that requires the proper packages of each library. Of course you'd have to do this too with .rpm and other formats if you want to support the full Linux spectrum.
If you ever consider making the game open-source (not necessarily free software, you can keep your copyrights to the game and release the source anyways) I'd be more than glad to make it Linux-friendly. Linux users don't expect a pre-compiled version (though it's always nice to have one) - if you just give them a Linux download which is the source code and easy to build (standard being ./configure;make;make install) it is a 100% fair game - a lot of games and other projects do this for their Linux versions. I'd even offer myself to do the Linux build-tool work for you if I could get it to compile here first.
There isn't a single license for source codes that would be sufficient for preventing any harmful actions. I could release the source if there was a way to prevent anybody from selling it etc. CC licenses look good but they are only for the source. The compiled game wouldn't have the CC license.
I don't have much experience from linux families but I would support only debian/linux based distros.
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This is a thorny area, but good old zlib maybe? It always seemed the chillest of licenses in the dizzying melee to me.
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If you only want people not to sell it GPL (I recommend v2 by the way) is enough since people are obliged to offer any changes in source code back to the community as a new GPL project. You can also write you own license saying something like "the source code distributed herein is only intended for execution and compilation of the game, any changes or redistribution via unofficial means is not permitted and thus liable to damage to the full extent of the law".
Though lets be honest here, both ways:
1. The license is just a virtual piece of paper. If anyone wants to use your source for things you're not allowing they will. You're probably as an individual not in a position you'll be able to acquire lawyers and threaten possibly international lawsuits unless there's major money involved, which is a super unlikely scenario.
2. That is exactly the same argument why you should go ahead and do it if you're not too worried about your game's code. There are tons of open-source code out there and it's only like once in a decade your hear about misappropriation, and that's usually a very small piece of code like kernel code (with the exception of the VMWare incident (http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/03/vmware-alleged-to-have-violated-linuxs-open-source-license-for-years/)...). People are usually very respectful of the devs wishes, for one reason or another - especially since there's not much to gain by disrespecting a license either way. What's the absolute worst can happen? Someone taking you game code and turning it into a commercial product? What are the odds of that happening since it never happened before - not to mention there's not even a decent niche market for commercial roguelikes....
I guess this is why most roguelike devs release their source code as open-source anyways, I know I do. Anyway if you ever plan on making that come true count me in to get the build process working on Linux (or helping with a custom license text). I'm not an expert in either of the areas but hopefully good enough - it would be the least I could do in exchange of enjoying your game :)