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War never changes
« on: March 02, 2014, 01:19:22 PM »
The situation in Ukraine is a bit worrysome. The problem is not russians, they could invade Ukraine any day, I don't care. The problem is how EU and the snake in EU which is Nato, is going to react. We really should not do anything other than let russians kill each other.

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Re: War never changes
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2014, 03:17:52 PM »
NATO won't do anything in this matter just like they didn't do anything when Russia was at war with Georgia. My guess is that there won't even be a war between Russia and Ukraine unless something unexpected will happen. Referendum is already scheduled, so Crimea will soon secede from Ukraine and become a Russian satellite state just like Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

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Re: War never changes
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2014, 07:47:05 PM »
Let's hope nothing happens. Things can go bad fast when people want war.

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Re: War never changes
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2014, 09:01:19 PM »
People don't want a war -- Putin does, he is a bored megalomaniac.

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Re: War never changes
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2014, 06:15:52 AM »
Well, people keep choosing him in the elections.
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Re: War never changes
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2014, 07:51:59 AM »
Well, people keep choosing him in the elections.
In the same way that Noxico was "chosen" as 2013 roguelike of the year? :-)

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Re: War never changes
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2014, 08:06:01 AM »
Good point, but would it win if we were all forced to play it for the next year?  ;D
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Re: War never changes
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2014, 10:22:44 AM »
People don't want a war

They do. The actual problem in this is how "friends" of Ukraine react. You know, every time someone is attacked there are "friends" who get upset. For the same reason we had world wars in the first place and other big wars, because you have to help friends. It's ridiculous but always been the way wars have spread.

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Re: War never changes
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2014, 10:34:35 AM »
Quote from: Krice
We really should not do anything other than let russians kill each other.
"We should let %nationality% people die" is not funny at all. Substitute yours in that placeholder, hm?

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People don't want a war -- Putin does, he is a bored megalomaniac.
As a Russia resident I can say Putin is one cunning and calculative bastard (KGB past must help a lot). He always stops just before the situation goes to the extreme and always leaves some visibility of freedom, not that it helps people much though. I'm fairly sure he won't let anything major happen, in only just to ensure his safety.

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Re: War never changes
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2014, 10:57:47 AM »
He is now checking how far he can go. If I'm correct there is a treaty from 1994 where the USA acknowledges the borders of Ukraine. If there is no strong reaction then he will separate eastern Ukraine and set up a dummy government there.
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Re: War never changes
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2014, 09:15:17 PM »
"We should let %nationality% people die" is not funny at all.

I think it is, because some countries want war more than others. Russia, Somalia and other underdeveloped countries. Let them kill each other rather than hurt civilized world with whatever they do. We should know better and be wiser than them.

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Re: War never changes
« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2014, 10:52:36 PM »
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because some countries want war more than others. Russia, Somalia and other underdeveloped countries.
Believe me, the country which took full onslaught of both World Wars despite having no real desire in participating in them is unlikely to want a war. Even Somalia is just lawless, so more like simple wild nature than a dedicated crowd of fanatics.

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Let them kill each other rather than hurt civilized world with whatever they do. We should know better and be wiser than them.
Which is a form of self-satisfaction based on fairly simple demagogy method: substituting "I am better than the worst people of %nation%" to "I am better than people of %nation%". Sorry to disappoint but this works only until you are dragged into some shit without asking your subjective opinion about yours neighbourhood developmentness (which is, as it turns out, is totally irrelevant).

On another note, because people may be unaware of actual state of Russia and other slavic nations around: self-identification-wise Ukraine is half russians (and Crimea is even more so). There are tons of people with family ties. But the other half consider themselves european and the fact that they live within one border always was a cause for some tension -- people of seemingly one country are actually two different nations and want to live differenly. So (at least for now) there is no any "intervention" from Russia, we just trying to keep our own people safe in case of still possible civil war.
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Re: War never changes
« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2014, 11:41:26 PM »
"We should let %nationality% people die" is not funny at all.

I think it is, because some countries want war more than others. Russia, Somalia and other underdeveloped countries. Let them kill each other rather than hurt civilized world with whatever they do. We should know better and be wiser than them.

Dude, why don't you cite relevant scientific research on the topic?

 

Now, your view point is much better supported by actual facts.

Seriously, take your head out of the sand.

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Re: War never changes
« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2014, 07:06:07 AM »
On another note, because people may be unaware of actual state of Russia and other slavic nations around: self-identification-wise Ukraine is half russians (and Crimea is even more so). There are tons of people with family ties. But the other half consider themselves european and the fact that they live within one border always was a cause for some tension

Well didn't russians once invade these independent countries? They created this situation. We have good examples that you can invade a country, but you can't destroy the dream of freedom.

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Re: War never changes
« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2014, 07:17:13 AM »
Now, your view point is much better supported by actual facts.

I think you haven't heard the latest news. Scientists now know what europeans have 1-4% neanderthal genes. It can be argued if neanderthals were more intelligent, but there is a genetic difference between europeans and rest of the world. So it's funny if racism actually does have a scientific proof and the biological differences are big enough to explain the difference between developed and underdeveloped areas of the world.