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Re: Felicia Day endorses Tome 4
« Reply #45 on: January 29, 2014, 07:29:14 PM »
This thread has convinced me this board has nothing more worth hearing.
This is as bad as any other post I've read in this thread.  Tarring the board for some nonsense said in one thread, is ignoring the fact that the internet is full of nonsense.  If you really meant this sentiment, you'd leave the internet.

some parts are fuller than others, though. between "not a real roguelike (fan)," "success is bad," and "women aren't interested in important things like weapons" from some of the loudest members of the board, you've got a thread which, even if not typical, exemplifies some issues. board meets world.

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Re: Felicia Day endorses Tome 4
« Reply #46 on: January 29, 2014, 08:06:57 PM »
You shouldn't take Krice as a prototype of this forum users; we have allowed him to live for centuries just because every dungeon needs a Troll, and we fight him from time to time in order to level up.

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Re: Felicia Day endorses Tome 4
« Reply #47 on: January 29, 2014, 08:22:11 PM »
On a related note, I'm including Krice on my 7DRL this year. It will be fun.
I saw a troll named "The Insulting Krice" in some game recently. LambdaRogue, maybe?
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Re: Felicia Day endorses Tome 4
« Reply #48 on: January 29, 2014, 09:40:42 PM »
some parts are fuller than others, though. between "not a real roguelike (fan)," "success is bad," and "women aren't interested in important things like weapons" from some of the loudest members of the board, you've got a thread which, even if not typical, exemplifies some issues. board meets world.
A diversity of opinions is healthy.

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Re: Felicia Day endorses Tome 4
« Reply #49 on: January 29, 2014, 10:19:43 PM »
A diversity of opinions is healthy.
I disagree.

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Re: Felicia Day endorses Tome 4
« Reply #50 on: January 29, 2014, 11:15:45 PM »
I shall retreat from this nonsensical discussion.

*Makes discussion even more nonsensical than it already was*

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Re: Felicia Day endorses Tome 4
« Reply #51 on: January 30, 2014, 12:44:12 AM »


some parts are fuller than others, though. between "not a real roguelike (fan)," "success is bad," and "women aren't interested in important things like weapons" from some of the loudest members of the board, you've got a thread which, even if not typical, exemplifies some issues. board meets world.

Wait a second! I'm the loudest one on this board!  :-)

The internet is a dirty dirty place full of impolite things. You'll note the Roguelike discussion here is top notch but the other stuff can get wonky. Go check out Bay 12 if you want some really insulting behavior. This board is tame compared to most.

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Re: Felicia Day endorses Tome 4
« Reply #52 on: January 30, 2014, 07:00:28 AM »
A diversity of opinions is healthy.
I disagree.
Oh?  Perhaps you can fill out these templates, so I know what opinions I should have in future.  The best roguelike is [ INSERT OPINION HERE].  A roguelikelike is to roguelikes, as [INSERT OPINION HERE] is to [INSERT OPINION HERE].  When I think of roguelikelikelikes, it makes me think of [INSERT OPINION HERE].  When women play roguelikes, they most want to see [INSERT OPINION HERE].  :)

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Re: Felicia Day endorses Tome 4
« Reply #53 on: January 30, 2014, 09:01:13 AM »
Hah. chooseusername, it may seem you fell into one of Slash' little rhetorical traps. You disagreeing with his disagreeing that disagreements are ok … well, just carry on, I guess ;)

Still, it's an actual problem when the "diverse opinions" of a single board member serves to drive away several other people. That frankly doesn't fit my description of a sound and diverse discussion. And this isn't the first time someone quits the Temple altogether in the wake of one of these psudopolitical flame threads. It's all well to say people should develop thicker skin, but it's not as if we can disallow someone to feel offended by genuinely offensive behavior. Which is why there's such a thing as, your know, social norms for acceptable behavior.

Without intending to be more than just a little rude, I'd put more value in the continued presence of users who are here to discuss RLs, and for various reasons get discouraged by the kind of stupid, hateful discourse from which games should ideally offer some repose, rather than the bigoted ejaculations of *ahem* certain users. Krice is a nice enough guy in his own, twisted, Nordic way, and I don't personally mind him so much. (Excepting the occasional urge to f*ing strangle him!) But frankly, only about 10% of his posts manage to say anything more substantial than either: "I didn't even bother to try your game, because it sucks," or: "Science has proved that girls play with dolls."

I shall retreat from this nonsensical discussion.
*Makes discussion even more nonsensical than it already was*

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Re: Felicia Day endorses Tome 4
« Reply #54 on: January 30, 2014, 09:36:51 AM »
I think it would be better to accept what women are rather than trying to think they are like men. Which they obviously are not.

As a thought training: who do most women wear makeup? I mean, there is no need for that, women are already beautiful, more so than men. Why do they want to look more beautiful? Don't say it's because advertising or culture.

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Re: Felicia Day endorses Tome 4
« Reply #55 on: January 30, 2014, 10:04:18 AM »
For some of the same reasons men wear neckties, I guess. It's not as if we don't already look stupid without them. Your "analysis" is superficial and chauvinist. The fact that several female board members have berated your similar comments in the past should be a clue that your preconceived notions aren't so accurate.

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Re: Felicia Day endorses Tome 4
« Reply #56 on: January 30, 2014, 02:31:53 PM »
A diversity of opinions is healthy.
A diversity of opinions is healthy. But that doesn't mean you automatically have to respect every opinion no matter what it is.
"I prefer Nethack to Angband" is an opinion that should be accepted and respected. Maybe disagreed with, but it's a matter of taste. On this topic at hand, "I don't think it matters what famous people say," would be an OK opinion. "I don't really like Felicia Day" would be and OK opinion. "I disagree with her assessment of TOME or roguelikes in general." Those opinions aren't invalid, they should be respected, and they're something you can actually build a discussion around. More importantly, someone holding and expressing that opinion isn't doing any harm.
"Women aren't real gamers, they only like games about dressing up dolls" is, while not exactly the most harmful sexism that's ever been thrown around, is still not only sexist, but just plain incorrect. There are plenty of women who like a wide variety of games. And if some woman interested in playing or making roguelikes comes to this board and the first thing she sees is a long-standing member of the community making these kinds of comments, and everyone else "respecting his opinion," you think she's likely to want to stick around? Even if the basic premise is true that women generally like different kinds of games and certain types of games will never be broadly popular with women, that doesn't mean that no women will like them. I mean, we've got a freaking example of a woman who likes a roguelike in the first post in this thread!
When you're a niche genre that generally gets overlooked, ignored, or disliked (because of gameplay reasons) anyway, alienating entire groups of people is really not in your best interests.

People's "opinions" aren't some magical protected category. "Opinions" about other groups of people have been used to oppress those groups of people throughout history. Being intolerant of intolerance is not intolerance. Especially because, guess what? "Opinions" can be changed. Race, sexually or gender (generally) can't.

As a thought training: who do most women wear makeup? I mean, there is no need for that, women are already beautiful, more so than men. Why do they want to look more beautiful? Don't say it's because advertising or culture.
Seriously? "Why are things this way? And don't say the actual answer to why they're this way."
(By the way, men have used makeup in various cultures throughout history. And right now there's a growing trend in South Korea of men wearing makeup. Why are they doing that? Don't say it's because advertising or culture.)
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Re: Felicia Day endorses Tome 4
« Reply #57 on: January 30, 2014, 07:04:36 PM »
Hah. chooseusername, it may seem you fell into one of Slash' little rhetorical traps. You disagreeing with his disagreeing that disagreements are ok … well, just carry on, I guess ;)
I was replying to his perhaps rhetorical reply, with something equally rhetorical. :)

I think at some point, all the fuss which has been made here over what has been said which is disagreeable, builds up that disagreeable thing and we end up with a pile on which makes more and more of it.

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Re: Felicia Day endorses Tome 4
« Reply #58 on: January 30, 2014, 08:06:26 PM »
The other day I actually played a roguelike and I couldn't tell if my '@' symbol had a wiener or vagina, or both or neither. It's really important that I know. Serious business.

Upon first glance I'd say no wiener, but that long loop could just be a massive one. I'd like to think so. If you squint your eyes a bit it could be a wiener plus ball sack.

It might more resemble a hole though, so perhaps vagina? I think if there were a sex organ it would most closely resemble an anus.

But is that a man's anus or woman's?

This and more relevant and highly fascinating discussion can be had at www.shearstupidity.com

EDIT: I still say the '&' symbol looks like a dude playing air guitar. So at least we have the gender of that one confirmed. My Brogue character, on easy mode, is a dude.

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Re: Felicia Day endorses Tome 4
« Reply #59 on: January 31, 2014, 12:19:30 PM »
There are plenty of women who like a wide variety of games.

It's like with roguelikes. Exactly 50% of players are women, because I say so!