Roguelike of the Year - getting the list sorted

[Darren Grey]

Last year there was some controversy over what was in the Roguelike of the Year poll, and some games that didn't make the list.  This year the whole picture is much muddier, as can be seen from this list:

http://roguelikedeveloper.blogspot.com.au/2012/11/a-list-of-games-that-is-intended-to.html

It would be helpful if we could all tell Andrew what games on there shouldn't make it on the poll or which shouldn't, and reasons why.  It would also be helpful to check the RogueBasin release feed for games which might be missing.

[Darren Grey]

My own thoughts:

Obvious Yes

7DRL
Crossword Dungeon
Epilogue
FTL
HyperRogue III
Mercury
WazHack
Super Office Stress
Spelunky HTML 5
Spelunky XBLA (both should just be down as Spelunky)
Delver

No

Auro - no public release
Cargo Commander - no permadeath is a bit of a biggie

Unknown

99 Levels to Hell
Claustrophobia: The Downward Struggle
Dary's Legend
Dungeon Dashers
Flight of the Maxima
Fog and Thunder
Gnoblins
GUTS!
Hallowmorn Dungeon
House of the Lost
Legend of Dungeon
Minicraft 2
Mysterious Castle
NEO Scavenger
Probability 0
Project gnh20/The game of my dream (sb3dgraph)
Receiver
Second Wind
Steam Marines
Stella-111: A Cosmic Voyage
Sword of the Stars: The Pit
The Crystal Catacombs
Teleglitch
The Wizard's Lair
Tower Climb
Zombocalypse

Others

Dungeons of Dredmor should be added for its expansion and updates.

[andrewdoull]

It's worthwhile noting that everything that is listed as a release on Rogue Basin and/or Actively Developed Roguelikes on or after December 14, 2011 automatically qualifies.

This list is 'stuff I've found elsewhere'... I've not cross checked it against Rogue Basin or the List to check for duplicates.

Edit: And regards Spelunky appearing twice, these are two different games, by two different developers. If I combine this into one entry, I'd have to start combining Angband variants.

Edit 2: Dungeons of Dredmor and Binding of Isaac are both going to qualify again this year. I'd be interested in whether Desktop Dungeons should though.

[getter77]

Oh man....how much time do we have to get this sorted?   I can already tell you offhand that a great many more things are viable to be counted than not off the top of my head, since I keep especially close tabs on the lot of it all around here.

[Darren Grey]

I knew you would, getter    Andrew normally puts the poll up mid-December.

[Z]

IMO RogueBasin should cover every notable roguelike and roguelike-like. If anyone sees a notable game (or simply their own game) which is not on RogueBasin: please add it! As side benefits, this will automatically add the game to IRLDb, eliminate all controversy regarding ROTY inclusion, and make it more visible.

For example, FTL definitely should be added to RogueBasin.

Then, ROTY should use RogueBasin and ADR as a source of information, as usual.

I am not sure about Spelunky HTML5... just a port IMO.

Why is HyperRogue III controversial? It appears on RogueBasin (although the page is named "Hyperbolic Rogue"), and on ADR (although with some errors).

Edit: are you looking at the RogueBasin news, or add all games on RogueBasin with a recent update? (I am for the second option, although there is some wrong data there)

[Devlin]

I've just seen my game(The Wizard's Lair) on your list, and had a couple questions:

First off, what's ADR? I see it mentioned but couldn't figure out what it meant..
Secondly, how often does IRLDb scan RogueBasin for entries? I didn't see my game there and was wondering if that was important or not.

[getter77]

Mid-Dec eh?  Doubt I'd get to the grand trawling within the next couple days, but I will try to weigh in somewhere in early Dec as the list on the ASCII Dreams page hopefully continues to update itself.

[Z]

ADR is Actively Developing Roguelikes.

IRLDb updates daily. It looks for pages which use the "game-..." template. The Wizard's Lair (and some other roguelikes) uses the "gameinfo" template, which is not recognized by IRLDb. I will see if I can fix that...

[Krice]

No roguelikes were released this year, but next year can be a different story. But don't trust me.

[getter77]

Heh, even the newcomer Rogue's Tale Krice?     It even measures itself on the Berlin definition directly~

[kraflab]

I'm against any game that plays in real-time to be included (spelunky, tower climb, etc), since they do not qualify as roguelikes in my opinion.  Great games, just not at all roguelikes.  Of course, I understand most people disagree with me on that

[Alex E]

Darn, my next game is real time

[Kyzrati]

I'm against any game that plays in real-time to be included (spelunky, tower climb, etc), since they do not qualify as roguelikes in my opinion.  Great games, just not at all roguelikes.  Of course, I understand most people disagree with me on that

I don't disagree ;p

[Quendus]

I wouldn't disagree either. But I would include real-time games with a friendly pause button that doesn't hinder interaction with the game - like smoothrogue from this year's 7drl. And a lot of strategy games.