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Re: Women & Roguelikes
« Reply #90 on: December 27, 2012, 04:04:43 AM »
Yeah I dunno what specifically could be done except "not treating women different". Which I don't. I would imagine that there are a fair few women who don't make it public. And I can't blame them.

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Re: Women & Roguelikes
« Reply #91 on: December 27, 2012, 12:49:11 PM »
Best bet is to both start early in the schools before they start going ballistic and splitting everybody apart and a bit of momentum from the times of ladies than enjoy any number of games to come to enjoy even more of them----it will take awhile in any case unless a rockstar female figure manifests and sheds light on it and challenges the perceptions of the day.  I know there's already been some in programming in general back in the formative years, but people need contemporary figures to aspire to moreso than historical ones for a real shot in the arm in a broad sense.
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Re: Women & Roguelikes
« Reply #92 on: December 27, 2012, 01:34:21 PM »
I dislike it when there's a huge gender disparity in things.

Women aren't interested about roguelikes. It's not serious though. It's funny how doing something manly (like being a soldier or playing roguelikes) is always a statement to women. For me it's nothing. Women think they are somehow better than men if they do ordinary things. They're so full of themselves. Play roguelikes and stop whining about inequality.

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Re: Women & Roguelikes
« Reply #93 on: December 27, 2012, 02:28:27 PM »
Best bet is to both start early in the schools before they start going ballistic and splitting everybody apart and a bit of momentum from the times of ladies than enjoy any number of games to come to enjoy even more of them----it will take awhile in any case unless a rockstar female figure manifests and sheds light on it and challenges the perceptions of the day.  I know there's already been some in programming in general back in the formative years, but people need contemporary figures to aspire to moreso than historical ones for a real shot in the arm in a broad sense.

You know this is an interesting point.  If Steve Jobs had been Susan Jobs, I wonder if we wouldn't see a larger female presence in computing.

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Re: Women & Roguelikes
« Reply #94 on: December 28, 2012, 12:26:03 AM »
I blame the stereotype they literally teach in latter school years in no small part---the one that says "all girls are better typists than guys, get used to it, but that's about all they have for it".

A Susan Jobs might have had that result, might not.  The key thing is somebody on the young side coming forward and knocking something big out of the park----the deck is stacked enough against it as it is without over wrought age discrimination coming into play and making people think "I can't" needlessly.

The allure of (new) money would be pretty potent though, as what lists are generally kept are aimed at Wealthiest Men, with token women mentions almost always being Old Money, or business hacks ala Professional Wrestling/E-bay.
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Re: Women & Roguelikes
« Reply #95 on: December 31, 2012, 07:23:10 AM »
I blame the stereotype they literally teach in latter school years in no small part

People always blame something else when they can't accept the reality. For them equality is true when they find some example of a woman that acts like a man. It's really ironic.

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Re: Women & Roguelikes
« Reply #96 on: December 31, 2012, 12:41:58 PM »
It isn't about the typing thing explicitly, as I suppose there are some old studies on it, but I tend to reject any  universal notions of "set your expectations low" in terms of the broader realm of beyond banging away on a typewriter---regardless of gender.  Raw aptitude and eventual prowess depends on the individual, but the expectation should be the same for everybody, that being generally mysterious since nobody pops out instinctively even knowing so much as how to check an e-mail,  as folks tends to discover how far they can go on a given thing along the journey---not before even starting it barring explicit circumstances.
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