RPG roguelike

[liquidsoap]

I really enjoy 2D top down rpg games such as zelda or Pokemon. I also really enjoy the difficulty and randomness of roguelike games. I was wondering if there are any games that combine these 2 elements into 1 awesome game. I understand that roguelikes are in some ways already rpgs (adom is an example ) but they just seem to be a lot more complicated. With all of the stats and numbers the game can become alot less casual then I would like it to be. I do not want to constantly be worrying about the hundreds of stats my player has and then the hundreds of stats each item has. A more casual zelda + some roguelike elements is what I am looking for. Anyone know if there are games like this?

[guest509]

  Not quite sure what you are asking, as the term RPG can mean a lot of things.

  If you are looking for a simpler Roguelike game then I suggest Brogue. It has very few stats and a simplified interface. You can play it entirely with a mouse if you want.

  There are plenty of other shorter and simpler roguelikes out there. Aliens and DoomRL are 2 sci fi ones.

[liquidsoap]

rpg as in you can get really attached to your character. When you die you feel like you actually lost something and are sad (as sad as you can be playing a video game ). When your character levels up you feel like a badass. A game that you can just play for hours trying to make you character the best thing in town (or dungeon). In lots of roguelikes that are out there are just feel that if I die I just press restart and play again not getting the feeling of losing something. Ya sure I may have lost a bunch of good stats but I don't feel as connected to the game as I would like to be.

[Paul Jeffries]

TOME 4 is probably the roguelike game that I think comes closest to being a 'normal' RPG - but then what I think of as being a normal RPG is typically very stat-heavy, so it may not be the kind of thing you're looking for.

Shiren the Wanderer might scratch at least some of your itches - it's fairly stat-light and has a fairly zelda-y-pokemon-y feel to it.  You might not get quite the sense of loss that you're after since your character doesn't technically die - he just goes back to the starting village with all his equipment and levels lost - but it's a brilliant game that you should probably play anyway.

[getter77]

I'd also have to probably recommend the Pokemon Mysterious Dungeon Roguelike series----might be a  perfect bridge for you as there is a narrative and everything.

[kraflab]

rpg as in you can get really attached to your character. When you die you feel like you actually lost something and are sad (as sad as you can be playing a video game ). When your character levels up you feel like a badass. A game that you can just play for hours trying to make you character the best thing in town (or dungeon). In lots of roguelikes that are out there are just feel that if I die I just press restart and play again not getting the feeling of losing something. Ya sure I may have lost a bunch of good stats but I don't feel as connected to the game as I would like to be.

I'm not sure if the problem is just that you aren't getting deep enough into the games, but any roguelike can make you feel like that.  I mean just imagine playing a crawl character for 15 hours and then dying!

[Krice]

Not quite sure what you are asking, as the term RPG can mean a lot of things.

I think it's a fixed plot and good character design. LambdaRogue is something like that. It could be a nice idea to create somewhat pure rpg game and only add some random variations, maybe in items, monsters and possibly random dungeons and other locations. However I think permadeath isn't a good feature in a game like that.

[liquidsoap]

I agree with Krice. Good character design really makes a game for me. The game does not have to be strictly a roguelike, but can be a top-down rpg with roguelike elements. LambdaRogue is a fun game. Good music and art style. I wish I could play Shiren the Wanderer but I can't find a download for pc.

[guest509]

  You are looking for a game that you can play for a longer time. Time enough to invest yourself in your character. To see him grow.

  So you need to either get good at one of the longer Roguelikes or find an easy but incredibly long Roguelike?

[liquidsoap]

I still want the game to be hard. I've played adom quite a bit and like the difficulty level. It's not that you just need to play a character a lot to get connected to them. I think I am looking for more of a top-down rpg game with a lot of replay value (replay value like a roguelike) and a good story line and character depth. And not looking for a roguelike game that has some rpg elements.

[guest509]

  You can grind in Angband.

[Darren Grey]

ToME4 has many good story bits, but is not so strong on RPGesque characterisation / personality.

Shiren would be right up your street. Get a SNES emulator (last I looked ZSNES was the cream of the crop) and download the ROM.

[liquidsoap]

I download the DS version of the Shiren with an emulator and just love the game. The music, character design. difficulty and just the amount of enemies and things you can do is amazing. Is the ds version different then the SNES version?

[Darren Grey]

They're mostly the same. Which is better is a matter of opinion :-)

[getter77]

DS version is generally an improved SNES version....Wii game in the series is also good.

You should definitely enjoy the DS Izuna games as well as Mysterious Pokemon Dungeon ones----all draw heavily from Shiren but still have their own elements.