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Lets post monsters to be added to roguelikes!
« on: November 18, 2007, 02:16:11 PM »
Post here ideas about monster to be added to roguelikes!

Include a description, appearance, skills, what theme they apply to.

A developer may see them and include it in his game!

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Re: Lets post monsters to be added to roguelikes!
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2008, 11:00:43 AM »
A developer may see them and include it in his game!

Monster design takes time and effort (when you actually design a new monster and don't just copy-paste it from D&D). I'm not going to give my monsters to other developers!

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Re: Lets post monsters to be added to roguelikes!
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2008, 02:08:39 PM »
I'm not going to give my monsters to other developers!

Won't you release your game under a free open source licence ?

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Re: Lets post monsters to be added to roguelikes!
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2008, 05:02:12 PM »
Won't you release your game under a free open source licence ?

No, it's going to be freeware. Sometimes I think open source people have difficulties to grasp concepts like "copyright" and what that means. Monster design is probably not that kind of thing you can hold on to, at least if you are just one person and not a big company. Besides it's hard to come up with -that- unique design anymore. Most of the monsters in Kaduria are pretty basic anyway, but I have tried to design some original monsters and I guess I will be creating more of them.

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Re: Lets post monsters to be added to roguelikes!
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2008, 08:02:39 PM »
You mean that you won't allow people to borrow your ideas ?

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Re: Lets post monsters to be added to roguelikes!
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2008, 07:58:55 AM »
You mean that you won't allow people to borrow your ideas ?

You can't copyright ideas, at least if you are not Nintendo or Wizards Of The Coast Inc. I just don't like the way everything is  being stolen right away by open source developers. People always say that they are making free programs, but I think it's still wrong to steal stuff. Besides when you make open source programs it might be possible to get money later when you are hired based on open source releases.

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Re: Lets post monsters to be added to roguelikes!
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2008, 12:45:39 PM »
That has nothing to do with open source; I am closed source and still I steal lots of content from the Castlevania, Metroid, Zelda and Ultima franchises.

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Re: Lets post monsters to be added to roguelikes!
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2008, 07:08:05 PM »
To my point of view, you can't steal an idea. Just because ideas are imaterial things, unlike bread for instance. If I steal a bread in a bakery, I have a bread, and the baker miss a bread. But if I take the idea of another person, I have a new idea, and the other person still have his idea.

That's just the way how civilizations get built, and our knowledge is the sum of the ideas of our mutual ancestors.

A final thought : you are developing a roguelike ? Damn ! You are stealing from Rogue !!!

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Re: Lets post monsters to be added to roguelikes!
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2008, 08:25:23 PM »
And don't forget that you are stealing letters from latin alphabet!  ;)

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Re: Lets post monsters to be added to roguelikes!
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2008, 08:37:20 PM »
A final thought : you are developing a roguelike ? Damn ! You are stealing from Rogue !!!

Getting influences from other games is something else than stealing graphics or stealing monster design and attributes. Of course you know that, even you can't be that stupid.

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Re: Lets post monsters to be added to roguelikes!
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2008, 10:20:13 PM »
even you can't be that stupid.
Krice, do you realize that by saying "even you" you imply your opinion about him is that he IS stupid?

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Re: Lets post monsters to be added to roguelikes!
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2008, 10:44:12 PM »
You mean that you won't allow people to borrow your ideas ?

You can't copyright ideas, at least if you are not Nintendo or Wizards Of The Coast Inc. I just don't like the way everything is  being stolen right away by open source developers. People always say that they are making free programs, but I think it's still wrong to steal stuff. Besides when you make open source programs it might be possible to get money later when you are hired based on open source releases.


Of course, stealing only happens if you are open source. If you happen to build a game with, let's say dwarves and elves in it, you *are not* stealing from Tolkien/mythology, unless you are open source. If you are closed source, you are "drawing inspiration" or "being original". If you happen to have a game with monsters similars to those of insert monster compendium here, it is either a)a random ocurrence or b)inspiration. But then again, if you are open source, you are stealing. It also happens with attributes: let's say your game has a Strength attribute, which is *obviously* stealing design from a certain tabletop RPG, unless the game is closed source. Everything can be justified this way.

Because when you are open sourced, no one can look at your code, nor borrow your ideas, so you both steal and then not share. You know, unlike closed source software, which are the key to the knowledge and the advancement of mankind. I say, let's make everything closed source! The world would be a much better place if, for instance, only a company knew how to build computers, or cars, or buildings. Better yet, there should only be ONE company in all the world, which did everything! If you, for instance, tried to bake a cake, or write a word which is patented, you would be executed immediately for stealing a design. Also, people shouldn't steal others' ideas, so if you say something and someone says you are right or *gasp* repeats your statement to someone else, you should be able to shoot him by law. Also languages should be closed source. I mean, we are *stealing* from the people who invented our languages. There is no hope for us. Let's suicide and make the world a better place!

There's also the fact that everybody knows its impossible to use stolen things on a closed source project. On the other hand, using files in which you have been given permission to use because they are open, it's just plain stealing.

So yes, my friends, open source = stealing. So just go dump your projects and go weep in a corner of your room or something.

PS: If you want a sarcasm detector, I have the patent, so send me money if you use it, thief!
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Re: Lets post monsters to be added to roguelikes!
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2008, 07:06:45 AM »
Krice, do you realize that by saying "even you" you imply your opinion about him is that he IS stupid?

He seems to be. I don't know if he really is.

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Re: Lets post monsters to be added to roguelikes!
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2008, 07:11:05 AM »
Of course, stealing only happens if you are open source.

No, I said they respect less someone else's work. Let's work an example. When I release Kaduria there will be a tileset which is original artwork. I would really hate to see that tileset stolen and used in another project, but I'm afraid that's exactly what is going to happen. Making something original takes effort and plain work, something which open source developers want to avoid all possible ways:)

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Re: Lets post monsters to be added to roguelikes!
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2008, 10:57:20 AM »
Of course, stealing only happens if you are open source.

No, I said they respect less someone else's work. Let's work an example. When I release Kaduria there will be a tileset which is original artwork. I would really hate to see that tileset stolen and used in another project, but I'm afraid that's exactly what is going to happen. Making something original takes effort and plain work, something which open source developers want to avoid all possible ways:)


Usually it's the reverse that's true: open source developers tend to look very closely at licenses so they both are compatible to their ideals and abide the law. So I don't think anyone will steal your artwork unless you give them permission to do it.

And you are constantly saying "open source developers steal everything", would you mind pointing us to some examples?
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