Felicia Day endorses Tome 4

[Krice]

That, if anything, sounds like a RL to me

If only you could see the gear and it would look fab. Then we would have a lot more women playing roguelikes. I think it's no accident that women like specific games like The Sims or Minecraft. They can't help it. It's the evolution we all know.

[Darren Grey]

Krice, you are an embarrassment to this community.

[Krice]

What I'm telling is true. And what's more hilarious I believe there is still a huge market for games which women want to play. They have to settle for dressing part in WoW, because it was an accident! Developers of WoW never realized it's a big hit for women as well. If someone wants to make loads of money, create something character-centric like The Sims or WoW with minimum RPG features and multi-player with communication. You'll get all the money you can ever hope.

[guest509]

Krice your demographic and motivation analysis for WoW is incorrect. The graphics have broad appeal and EVERYONE likes their gear to look cool. The ease of play and social aspect also has broad appeal. Not sure why I'm even responding, but I have several max level WoW characters so figure I had some expertise.

Also the notion that Blizzard doesn't know exactly what they are doing is just...yeah...

[Krice]

The graphics have broad appeal and EVERYONE likes their gear to look cool. The ease of play and social aspect also has broad appeal.

Only true when you look at the statistics from the point of view where every player actually likes WoW and is playing it. I think it's somewhat different group of people than "traditional" players. Games (at least part of them in mainstream) have changed and also people who play them. Social aspect means nothing to me when talking about games.

[DarkGod]

OMG, didn't check the temple for some days and I discover this thread.
This is true, this is an embarrassment to roguelike community. When somebody say a nice thing about you or your community you smile or say thanks you do not *bite the hand that feeds you*

Are you people out of your minds? That you like tome or not doesn't even matter, it's publicity for roguelikes; what's not to like?
As for miss Felicia Day, whether you like her or not, she is known and not for how she looks; she has made some awesome stuff online. You do not have to like what she does, but you have to respect it.

Or would you prefer we go back to the age of "roguelikes are dated and doomed, nobody plays them anymore" ? If not, you must realize that marketing, publicity and word-of-mouth is vital.

Oh and Krice, it is very rare when I get really angry at somebody but let me put it in simple words for you: your opinions about women is simply terrible, offencive and wrong; and I am not even a woman, I can hardly imagine how the ladies reading your posts must feel. Please go crawl back to your corner to develop the game you want nobody to play. Or maybe simply try to not insult half the world's population with every post.

[Krice]

You do not have to like what she does, but you have to respect it.

I didn't knew who she was before this and I still don't know. I can't respect anyone I don't know. Her advertising didn't sound right at all. It sounded like coming from someone who don't actually know what roguelikes are. I might be wrong, but it sounded funny.

If not, you must realize that marketing, publicity and word-of-mouth is vital.

May be if you are selling something.

your opinions about women is simply terrible, offencive and wrong;

No it's not. I agree with the evolution on this one. Of course, it's a kind of generalization, because some women are good at playing roguelikes or whatever and they also play games that were aimed for male players. You know, anything with shooting, killing and that sort of stuff. But you simply can't deny the fact that women have selected specific type of games to play, such as The Sims, and that up until now male developers didn't really have a good idea what women want. There were some ridiculous attempts to create games for women that failed hard, because they had barbies (supposedly girly stuff) and other silly stuff without proper gameplay.

[rsaarelm]

Goddammit Krice.

[mrrstark]

This thread has convinced me this board has nothing more worth hearing.

[getter77]

...  

This was a pretty benign little spot of uncommon promotion for Roguelikes in the broader world---not an earthshaking event by any means, but a nicely surprising good one for ToME and Roguelikes in general in "a rising tide lifts all boats" kind of way.  There's no cause for this sort of negativity and acrimony---the very notion of a contrarian cause is contrary to anything conducive.  We are all diverse adults for the most part here...but a bit of empathy is well advised for everybody.

Communal shrinking in anathema to me, as we are not to be some damned well the likes of which can be poisoned just by introducing new elements into it---everybody is welcome here, should feel welcome, and generally be welcoming of their fellows as opposed to painting with a broad brush.  It is that heavy-handed use of such broad brushing that has led to the Roguelike scene being discounted and very much brushed aside outright into dusty corners for years now---do not employ that from within to boot lest what gains there have been these past few years become needlessly troubled in an already harsh world.


TL, DR  Put thought AND feeling into your posting people---be civil while engaged in debate and fall not into the trap of belligerence towards "other", for each of us IS "other".

[miki151]

Men and women are different, no reason to argue about it. Maybe the average women plays The Sims, just like average men play FPS.

I think this kind of publicity from a female reviewer is great, maybe we will have more female players or developers, which will only help to diversify and improve the genre.

I can't respect anyone I don't know.

Here lies the problem.

[guest509]

This thread has convinced me this board has nothing more worth hearing.

Meh...don't let Krice get you down.

[mushroom patch]

lol, you guys are so punk rock. "Celebrities suck, stop talking about our games, sell out! Go play with your dolls or sth! In WoW."

anyway, listen to the second most active guy on the forum, everyone: don't let the third and fourth most active guys get you down!

[chooseusername]

This thread has convinced me this board has nothing more worth hearing.

This is as bad as any other post I've read in this thread.  Tarring the board for some nonsense said in one thread, is ignoring the fact that the internet is full of nonsense.  If you really meant this sentiment, you'd leave the internet.

[Slash]

Please go crawl back to your corner to develop the game you want nobody to play.

On a related note, I'm including Krice on my 7DRL this year. It will be fun.