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Re: Looking for an RL for me
« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2013, 12:00:04 PM »
ADOM is not that hard at all, but it's an old-school game which may scare off younger players - no tutorial, no tooltips, no mouse support, strange key commands. Of course, these are all things you can quickly get used to and once you do, the game becomes easy (but definitely not "simple").
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Re: Looking for an RL for me
« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2013, 05:53:16 PM »
My favs are the 'simple' ones. The quick plays with good variety. Games like Aliens, Brogue, Rodney, etc...those are all ASCII games so I didn't mention them before.

If you think Crawl is a simple game I think you might be missing something. It's definitely not simple or easy.

How about Powder? Did you try that one? It's pretty tough game.

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Re: Looking for an RL for me
« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2013, 06:07:33 PM »
For now I'm learning ToME (love it, lots of variety and seems quite deep). Higher Arcane Sword, I think it's the race/class

When I need something more chilled, I play UnRealWorld (still tutorial, so much to do and learn)

Would be awesome a good one for Android, for my wasted commuting time.

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Re: Looking for an RL for me
« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2013, 07:01:15 PM »
Oh I hear that man. RL's are perfect for train/bus play I think.

Did you check out Andrew Doul's annual poll results? At the end of every year he does a poll concerning the best RL game of the year. Since most game have an update at least once a year, most games make the list. I think Powder wasn't on there, but it did well the year before.

Here is a link. As you can see ToME kicked but. I think it's won like 3 years in a row.

http://roguelikedeveloper.blogspot.com/search/label/ascii%20dreams%20roguelike%20of%20the%20year

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Re: Looking for an RL for me
« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2013, 07:22:48 AM »
I can see that ToME is by far the most popular (seen many lists like that).

But does that make it the best one?

I imagine it happens the same as with World of Warcraft a few years ago. 13+ million people playing, but not the favourite. Just had a very addictive gameplay for casuals, but no deep systems of anything. People loved Guild Wars or EverQuest (1&2).

SO ToME is the most played because it's the most accessible (great tutorial, popup system, unlocks), but ADOM is far deeper, altho it's extremely limited.

This is my impression, am I too far off?

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Re: Looking for an RL for me
« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2013, 07:32:46 AM »
For android there is Pixel Dungeon, it did add classes recently, but they basically just change how your character starts out. It's largely based on brogue, and can be quite fun when you're bored.

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Re: Looking for an RL for me
« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2013, 07:44:42 AM »
I can see that ToME is by far the most popular (seen many lists like that).

But does that make it the best one?

I imagine it happens the same as with World of Warcraft a few years ago. 13+ million people playing, but not the favourite. Just had a very addictive gameplay for casuals, but no deep systems of anything. People loved Guild Wars or EverQuest (1&2).

SO ToME is the most played because it's the most accessible (great tutorial, popup system, unlocks), but ADOM is far deeper, altho it's extremely limited.

This is my impression, am I too far off?

Yes. I'd say pretty far off. Sorry. I wouldn't characterize it that way at all. None of these games are for casuals, though some are easier to pick up and play. ToME is not the easiest game to get into in the Roguelike genre. Probably Cardinal Quest, and the upcoming sequel, are WAY easier to get into. So is Brogue. None are mainstream type games and there's no real WoW. Besides WoW retains its market share in the face of better games because of the rpg aspect. People are invested in their characters, they have online relationships, etc...most other MMO's are just as approachable, or nearly so.

I play a lot of roguelikes and I very much dislike ToME4. Can't say why, it's just not my thing. I can recognize the high quality though. I also don't much get into Adom. I like the smaller, tighter, quicker games. I much prefer Brogue, maybe some DoomRL, Infra Arcana, that sort of thing. Or Slashies new game Rodney, which just today got a graphical tileset. It's still new and working out the kinks but it's a nice basic game. Crawl or even Nethack are more fun for me than ToME or Adom when it comes to the big games. Angband is also another huge game I haven't tackled.

So it just depends on who you are. Some are big and sprawling, some are tight and quick. Some focus more on graphics, etc...it's a very broad genre.

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Re: Looking for an RL for me
« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2013, 08:04:17 AM »
Yeah, ToME was a huge disappointment for me, too. People are talking about it all the time, but when I launched it, after 5 minutes I had enough. It disgustingly reminds me WoW and just doesn't feel like a good, old-school game. It's made to be popular, but "popular" is no longer something that encourages me to play.
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Re: Looking for an RL for me
« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2013, 08:06:05 AM »
Aw, so many downvotes for ToME...

Ok, let me bring my previous question back again: what's your favourite (one, not several) and why?

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Re: Looking for an RL for me
« Reply #24 on: April 26, 2013, 10:11:11 AM »
Currently my favorite is crawl. There isn't really a list of reasons why I like it the most. It's just the one I enjoy the most right now, but you know I still play a lot of other roguelikes. I play nethack very seriously from time to time, and really enjoy it. I used to really love ZAngband, but that was many versions ago back when the overworld was still fixed rather than random.

I don't actually like TOME. I've always preferred ZAngband since the beginning, but most people seem to love TOME and I don't blame them.

Probably 90% of my roguelike playing is Crawl, and 9% is nethack, and 1% is everything else. That sounds bad, but it's more of a reflection of the sheer amount of time I waste in crawl. The worst part is, I've gotten much further in Nethack than in Crawl...

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Re: Looking for an RL for me
« Reply #25 on: April 26, 2013, 01:53:59 PM »
Have you looked at IRLDb? My ratings and experience

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Re: Looking for an RL for me
« Reply #26 on: April 26, 2013, 06:21:37 PM »
Aw, so many downvotes for ToME...

Ok, let me bring my previous question back again: what's your favourite (one, not several) and why?

Brogue. Classic style dungeon dive. No classes or fussing about, you can just play. Very simple interface but still allows you to do all the standard things. A very tight design.

That's hands down my favorite.

Don't worry about the downvotes for ToME. People are giving you solid entries but we cannot tell you which is best for you.

edit: There is a roguelike radio episode on this topic, sorta.
http://www.roguelikeradio.com/

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Re: Looking for an RL for me
« Reply #27 on: April 29, 2013, 12:26:44 PM »
Izuna: Legend Of The Unemployed Ninja

but you'll have to have a DS and like Mystery Dungeon mechanics to enjoy it

http://www.atlus.com/izuna/

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Re: Looking for an RL for me
« Reply #28 on: April 30, 2013, 04:07:42 PM »
SO ToME is the most played because it's the most accessible (great tutorial, popup system, unlocks), but ADOM is far deeper, altho it's extremely limited.

This is my impression, am I too far off?

Yeah, way far off.  ToME is accessible but still deep, and for many it is impenetrably complex.  Though it tries to have a nice interface it doesn't hold back on delivering what is a fairly "hardcore" experience.  In particular compared to most roguelikes it has a very involved battle system, with a variety of skills and resources to need to rely on.  The usual boring "bump to attack" doesn't work in ToME.

Eben: I really hated Izuna myself, especially when I kept coming up against the enemies that could erase your equipment buffs.  It was far too simple with too few options, and artificially extended gameplay length.  Shiren is considered superior in every way if you want that style of game.