Roguelike of the Year - getting the list sorted

[Darren Grey]

I suppose one thing to consider is, would anyone be upset if Diablo III were excluded?  Clearly there'll be plenty upset if it is.

On the other I know at least one very vocal person who would be upset if FTL were excluded.

[bhaak]

If Diablo III would be excluded, you would have to exclude those games with even less roguelike elements, too.

Diablo III is more of a roguelike than FTL.  

[Darren Grey]

I disagree very strongly!

[kraflab]

I'm gonna have to agree.  Either FTL and diablo 3 go in or neither.

[Ancient]

"Hyperbolic Rogue" should not be there, as it was written in Nov 2011 and newer versions appear on the list with other names. Including both HR2 and HR3 means that we are including both the 7DRL version and the current version, I am not sure whether this makes sense.

The list has it filed under "Hyperbolic Rogue" but the entry points to HyperRogue III. I guess Andrew took it as independent game and just added it. On my side this is fixed for next update. Thanks!

[andrewdoull]

Some additions:

Dungeon Panic!
Goblet Grotto
ZombiU

[Krice]

ZombiU

Is this Nintendo Wii U's ZombiU? What the hell? It's a roguelike?

[getter77]

The last giant list update seems to have lots near as I can tell from the lot of it, barring any final updates to come to it I'd reckon that is probably about squared away.  Of course, it is often the case where one forgets one or more until they hit you after the fact, but only so much can be done and this is why it is important for the devs themselves to speak up.   

[Eben]

Borderlands 2 should not qualify for the list in any way.

It doesn't have permadeath.
It doesn't have interesting tactical decisions.
It doesn't have random loot (more on this later).
It doesn't have random maps.
It doesn't have random enemies.
It isn't ASCII, Tile, Grid, 2D, 2.5D.

The only semi-roguelike thin it has is sorta intersting stat/class builds in a limited capacity.

Feel free to replace "random" with "procedurally generated" if you prefer.


About No Random Loot:
The best loot in the game is static. Certain quests or bosses drop it all. Quests drop it 100% of the time, Bosses about 5% of the time. There is no point to even picking up any loot that is not provided through static guaranteed methods.

Therefore: no random loot that matters (what is there is at best vendor junk)

Counterargument: Before you reach level 50 the first time you can find loot scattered about randomly that is useful.

Countercounterargument: You can find such loot, but in no way do you need to use it and if you haven't received better loot from static quests you're playing overleveled for your area, which means the loot you found to use still isn't useful.


Summary

Borderlands 2 is nowhere near to belonging on the list. Both Mass Effect 3 and Black Ops 2 have more roguelike features!

[guest509]

  A countercounterargument is called a 'rebuttal'

   

[Darren Grey]

Eben, there is such a thing as jokes in the world.

[guest509]

  Not on the interwebs Darren...you know this! 

[Eben]

A joke that it's on the list huh? Are there other titles on the list that aren't really there, but represent a joke?

I'm genuinely curious because I looked at the list and saw Borderlands 2 on it. Many people (wrongly) consider the Borderlands series to be a sort of FPS roguelike series. It's entirely consistent that someone who isn't entirely familiar with BL2 would include it in the list out of ignorance.

While I'm all for allowing stretches of the roguelike definition on there (Spelunky) and nearly completely not roguelike-at-all games inspired by roguelikes (Diable III, Binding of Isaac), if BL2 was actually on the list it would mean every RPG or game with stats/classes/character options should be included.

Sorry if I don't get the joke.

[kraflab]

You have to include a  if you are making a joke on the internet.

[andrewdoull]