Author Topic: Roguelike of the Year - getting the list sorted  (Read 44003 times)

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Re: Roguelike of the Year - getting the list sorted
« Reply #45 on: December 05, 2012, 10:56:09 AM »
Also, you know what might be nice - force people to choose at least 3 entries.  That'll stop some of the silly focus from fans of only a single game.  To vote you need perspective on more than just your favourite title.

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Re: Roguelike of the Year - getting the list sorted
« Reply #46 on: December 05, 2012, 11:15:08 AM »
You would have to go in and make extra remarks for every game that is missing features or has different modes.  I mean are you going to specify for DoD that it doesn't include the non-permadeath difficulty?  Sounds silly to me :P

For voting, people would just randomly pick 2 extra games if you had to pick three and they only knew one.  I think that would defeat the purpose.

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Re: Roguelike of the Year - getting the list sorted
« Reply #47 on: December 05, 2012, 11:30:03 AM »
You would have to go in and make extra remarks for every game that is missing features or has different modes.  I mean are you going to specify for DoD that it doesn't include the non-permadeath difficulty?  Sounds silly to me :P

Well in the case of DF and Diablo the roguelike-y mode is not the main mode played, whilst Peramdeath mode in DoD is much more popular.  Otherwise I'd say Diablo 3 shouldn't be on there, as the roguelike side of it is just a sideshow compared to the main game.

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For voting, people would just randomly pick 2 extra games if you had to pick three and they only knew one.  I think that would defeat the purpose.

Perhaps, but it might force people to think more about the purpose of the poll and consider what other roguelikes there are that they might enjoy.  It would also make it harder for people to spam loads of votes using the cookie-deleting method.  wouldn't be impossible of course, but it would be a bit of discouragement.

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Re: Roguelike of the Year - getting the list sorted
« Reply #48 on: December 05, 2012, 12:48:40 PM »
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  Goddamn I h8 Diablo III. Ramping the difficulty to absurd levels in order to sell gear on the AH. Drop rates so low, and most things not even being usable by your character, forcing you to the $$$$ auction house. Playing roguelike mode solo and having my character die to lag...LAG...in a single player game...screw you blizzard.

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  I figure it should be included in the poll. I'll not be voting for it. It's not just a terrible roguelike, it's also a terrible game. I don't think we really need to make qualifying remarks either, but it if we are worried (we should be) that the Diablo III fan base might get wind of the poll and vote it through the roof, perhaps a qualifier would mitigate that.

  I may be biased. I know I am. What ever you do to make DiabloIII do poorly will be alright with me.  :P

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Re: Roguelike of the Year - getting the list sorted
« Reply #49 on: December 05, 2012, 03:51:42 PM »
"Hyperbolic Rogue" should not be there, as it was written in Nov 2011 and newer versions appear on the list with other names. Including both HR2 and HR3 means that we are including both the 7DRL version and the current version, I am not sure whether this makes sense.

And Diablo 3 should be.

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Re: Roguelike of the Year - getting the list sorted
« Reply #50 on: December 05, 2012, 03:57:29 PM »
Should be what?

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Re: Roguelike of the Year - getting the list sorted
« Reply #51 on: December 05, 2012, 04:35:09 PM »
Should be included in the poll. Removing a game that would probably get many honest votes because somebody does not like it is cheating IMO.

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Re: Roguelike of the Year - getting the list sorted
« Reply #52 on: December 05, 2012, 05:40:29 PM »
Let's include Call of Duty, too. It's a roguelike after all.
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Re: Roguelike of the Year - getting the list sorted
« Reply #53 on: December 05, 2012, 11:18:25 PM »
Begin Rant -
  Goddamn I h8 Diablo III. Ramping the difficulty to absurd levels in order to sell gear on the AH. Drop rates so low, and most things not even being usable by your character, forcing you to the $$$$ auction house. Playing roguelike mode solo and having my character die to lag...LAG...in a single player game...screw you blizzard.

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  I figure it should be included in the poll. I'll not be voting for it. It's not just a terrible roguelike, it's also a terrible game. I don't think we really need to make qualifying remarks either, but it if we are worried (we should be) that the Diablo III fan base might get wind of the poll and vote it through the roof, perhaps a qualifier would mitigate that.

  I may be biased. I know I am. What ever you do to make DiabloIII do poorly will be alright with me.  :P

I also hated Diablo III, and for the same reasons.

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Re: Roguelike of the Year - getting the list sorted
« Reply #54 on: December 05, 2012, 11:21:11 PM »
You have 2 options.  You can man up and remove diablo 3 from the poll for not being a roguelike, or you can man up and put it in the poll as a roguelike and accept the consequences for your actions.

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Re: Roguelike of the Year - getting the list sorted
« Reply #55 on: December 05, 2012, 11:51:59 PM »
Have two categories of award?

Traditional vs. More-In-Common-With-Other-Genres-Than-Classic-Roguelike-Genre?

For example, Diablo 3 would be in the latter being more similar to (and in reality definitive of) ARPG.
FTL you can argue about.

Lowers the impact of "THIS WAS THE ROGUELIKE OF THE YEAR!" but... Diablo 3? Really? Just cause it has a checkbox for permadeath...?

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Re: Roguelike of the Year - getting the list sorted
« Reply #56 on: December 06, 2012, 05:33:46 AM »
  Well, DIII's architecture/layout is no longer procedurally generated. There may be some chunks here an there, hard to tell. Enemy placement is random.

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Re: Roguelike of the Year - getting the list sorted
« Reply #57 on: December 06, 2012, 09:17:26 AM »
And here I was thinking people were going to complain about me including Borderlands 2.

Darren: Dwarf Fortress won the first year without me 'clarifying' that it was adventure mode. I'm not going to be that specific. Besides which, any game can be permadeath if you play with an honour system (see e.g. Far Cry 2).

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Re: Roguelike of the Year - getting the list sorted
« Reply #58 on: December 06, 2012, 09:47:30 AM »
Hah, didn't see Borderlands 2.  Clearly we're not doing our job of checking out this list thoroughly...

Lots of games have permadeath for arcade reasons, or multiplayer reasons.  Diablo has it because it's descended from roguelikes.

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Re: Roguelike of the Year - getting the list sorted
« Reply #59 on: December 06, 2012, 03:45:30 PM »
What is "7DRL"? I thought it was "The Challenge!" but there is a separate entry for it.

BTW I have not played Diablo III, so I do not know how roguelike it is, but I know that the previous two were roguelike enough.