JVM vs something else

[requerent]

I have never seen a single Java program that was running really smooth, no matter whether it was 3D or 2D. And it's not only the amount of memory used (C++ programs use a lot of memory as well), Java is just slow. However, if you don't have much C++ experience and you care about portability, Java is still a good choice.

There are enough excellent commercial Java games to serve as a counter-example. There's also a lot of misinformation.

http://scribblethink.org/Computer/javaCbenchmark.html
- is kind of interesting.

[Pueo]

There are enough excellent commercial Java games to serve as a counter-example. There's also a lot of misinformation.

Do you have any examples of commercial Java games? I've always been interested in the language.

[requerent]

There are enough excellent commercial Java games to serve as a counter-example. There's also a lot of misinformation.

Do you have any examples of commercial Java games? I've always been interested in the language.

Spiral Knights, Minecraft, Runescape- several others. Every Flash game (the VM used by Flash is just a smaller and less effective JVM for RIA).

Some lists- Google will reveal more.
http://www.coderanch.com/t/200961/Game-Development/java/List-Game-developed-Java
http://lwjgl.org/projects.phphttp://www.java-gaming.org/index.php/topic,3123.0

The JVM is interesting because it provides runtime optimizations. It caches stuff that is performed repetitively, allowing it to increase the speed at which it solves similar problems.

[Pueo]

I knew of Runescape and Minecraft, but even though I had played Spiral Knights, I had no idea it ran on the JVM.  It's surprisingly fast.  Thanks for the lists 

[requerent]

I knew of Runescape and Minecraft, but even though I had played Spiral Knights, I had no idea it ran on the JVM.  It's surprisingly fast.  Thanks for the lists 

Graphics for most of these games use JNI bindings of OpenGL. In other words, if you care about graphics, Java shouldn't be a hindrance in any way.