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« on: October 19, 2011, 12:39:04 PM »
Well what do you think? Some company tries to sue that Notch person for using word "Scrolls" in his game. Elder Scrolls company doesn't like that. I think it's sad and homo trying to copyright a single word. It's so american stupid.

I was thinking. Why don't we join the fight? Let's release a bunch of games named almost like Elder Scrolls. I'm reserving Älder Skrulls as my next roguelike game (which might take some time to create and release...)

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Re: Scrolls
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2011, 01:04:36 PM »
AFAIK first court allowed Notch to use word 'Scrolls' for his game.
Also Notch called Bethesda for a Quake3 match. Whoever wins will get 'Scrolls'.
But they refused.

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Re: Scrolls
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2011, 01:41:02 PM »
I was doing some reading about this, and I can only find one aspect of the situation that makes Notch look bad. Whereas Bethesda's patent goes so far as to claim ownership of the words in "fantasy video games," Mojang wants control of Scrolls in games, TV, books, apparel, film, food, music, etc. I don't know whether it's just inexperience or whatever, but it could be construed (and has been) that Bethesda's suit was sort of a preemptive strike against a perceived future threat.

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Re: Scrolls
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2011, 02:35:56 PM »
From what I've gathered if Zenimax don't shoot down this then it would make it harder for them to shoot down other infringements on their trademark in future.  Sounds stupid to me though, and Bethesda aren't coming off well from the whole deal.

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Re: Scrolls
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2011, 05:38:24 PM »
Mojang wants control of Scrolls in games, TV, books, apparel, film, food, music, etc.

Really? Didn't know that. What the hell is wrong with these guys? You can't patent words. They were already invented!

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Re: Scrolls
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2011, 02:24:49 AM »
I completely agree with this:
You can't patent words.

But why do you use this as an insult:
homo

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Re: Scrolls
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2011, 03:34:07 PM »
Yes, yes, copyright then.  :-X

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Re: Scrolls
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2011, 04:39:30 PM »
Trademark actually.

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Re: Scrolls
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2011, 09:56:21 PM »
But why do you use this as an insult:

It's a funny insult word. I think english speaking people sometimes use it instead gay, but in finnish gay is actually homo, which makes it even funnier. And we use it as insulting word.

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Re: Scrolls
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2011, 10:18:18 AM »
Actually, no. Using it as an insult is kind of primitive. At best, it resonates with the kind of simplistic irony that was considered neat in the early 90-s. In any case, it lands you in a proud tradition of abuse and hate crime. I didn't expect to have to explain this to you.

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Re: Scrolls
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2011, 03:55:57 PM »
hate crime.

Who was that homo who invented "hate crime". It doesn't mean anything! It's not criminal to hate someone/thing.

Oh wait, I think it was americans. The same americans who commit crimes against humanity all the time.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2011, 03:57:37 PM by Krice »

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Re: Scrolls
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2011, 10:55:32 AM »
I happen to think you're just ranting at the moment, but let's not have a prolonged flame war over this. My only reason for commenting on your post was, considering that about one in ten who will read it are in fact homos/dykes, and considering we live in a world where people still get harassed and killed for being homosexual[1], it might be nice for some people to get an indication that this community isn't uniformly homophobic. I'm not saying I think you hate homosexuals, I just get annoyed at people using language in a stupid, hurtful way. With no harsh feelings for you personally, I think I've made the point I wanted to make.

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[1] Which, for your future reference, is the definition (if you don't know what "definition" means, look it up in a dictionary ;)) of hate crime: actual crimes motivated by hatred towards a perceived group; not, as you seem to think, hatred defined as a crime in itself. Also, you're probably not interested to know that Europeans played a central part in developing theories about hate crime, genocide, etc., as should be pretty obvious if you know the slightest thing about modern European history. In any case, I can't see how using insults like "homo", "nigger", "gypsy" etc. would somehow be justified by the fact that our governments perpetrate crimes against humanity. Feel free to elaborate, or not.
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« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2011, 05:22:34 AM »
  Lucky we have our very own attorney to clear some of this up.

1. Intellectual Property: If you do not aggressively defend every instance of possible infringement you will lose the right to stop others from using your I.P. in the future. So we get ridiculous situations like this.

2. Gay/Fag/Homo is used as an epithet synonymous with 'stupid' throughout every culture I know of. It is considered insensitive and bigoted to use the term throughout the English speaking world. But I call my friend's 'fag' all the time. As a joke. Even my gay friends. So it can be situational. But it's best avoided.

3. Hate Crimes: Hate crime law in the US was not developed to elevate crimes against certain victims. Historically the separate states, mostly in the south, ignored crimes against racial and sexual minorities. So the federal (national) government intervened by passing the 'hate crime' laws to protect the groups the states refused to protect. You could basically get away with murdering a black person in the South before these laws were passed. Now the FBI will come in and throw you into Federal 'Pound My Ass' Prison.
  Of course the laws now may have expanded to the point of irrationality but their origins were very positive and necessary.

  Hope that clears things up.

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Re: Scrolls
« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2011, 06:39:04 AM »
1. Intellectual Property: If you do not aggressively defend every instance of possible infringement you will lose the right to stop others from using your I.P. in the future

A word is not an intellectual property. A game could be, if it's not a clone like all modern games usually are.

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« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2011, 03:43:17 AM »
  Both a word and a game clone are very often protected by I.P. laws. Words can be a trademark or a copyright. Games, no matter how derivative, can be protected from piracy. Their titles often cannot be used by another person. Characters and what not (eg Mario) cannot be used without permission.
  Note that I am neither defending nor condemning the practice. Just pointing out how the American system works. IP law is very powerful.