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Re: Foreigners
« Reply #75 on: April 11, 2012, 12:00:57 PM »
I think a much better idea would be to take all kinds of riff-raff and just expell their sorry asses, regardless of ethnicity. A good place to start would be people who display their total ignorance by mixing up ethnic groups with similar sounding names when posting blatantly racist remarks to the internet, and who, when politely corrected, gleefully reiterate the mistake. Zing. We could probably set up a deal with Nokia to have these good-for-nothings mine for coltan in the Great Lakes Region, with a possibility to return for those who memorise the entire Kalevala. Win-win, seeing as how we then get cheap phones AS WELL AS more Kalevala scholars!

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Re: Foreigners
« Reply #76 on: April 18, 2012, 12:22:58 PM »
similar sounding names when posting blatantly racist remarks to the internet

Calling someone "racist" is a typical internet argument that leads to nowhere. Racism was proven wrong a long ago and foreigners could be people of any race. Problems related to immigration would be exactly the same even there was only one race on this planet.

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Re: Foreigners
« Reply #77 on: April 18, 2012, 01:14:06 PM »
Calling someone "racist" is a typical internet argument that leads to nowhere. Racism was proven wrong a long ago and foreigners could be people of any race. Problems related to immigration would be exactly the same even there was only one race on this planet.

Sure, we all know that. Racists are very picky about being called racists. I guess bigot would be a more acceptable term. However, even taken into account that there are very few old-school racists left, it's difficult not to label the following REMARK as racist in and of itself:
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Romanians don't behave well and they don't see anything wrong in criminal act.
assuming we take "Romanians" to mean something akin to:
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people who live in Romania
ie. strictly speaking an ethnic group.

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« Last Edit: April 18, 2012, 04:29:30 PM by AgingMinotaur »
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Re: Foreigners
« Reply #78 on: April 20, 2012, 08:42:32 AM »
ie. strictly speaking an ethnic group.

What really is an "ethnic" group? Aren't we all ethnic? To me romanians are just romanians, like french are french. And they both suck.

Actually, claiming that there are ethnic groups is actually making a difference to us "normal" people, which is racist itself!
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Re: Foreigners
« Reply #79 on: April 20, 2012, 10:14:26 AM »
ie. strictly speaking an ethnic group.
What really is an "ethnic" group? Aren't we all ethnic?
Well, duh. The whole point being that racism can be defined as the percepion that certain ethnic groups (eg. Romanians) are in some ways inherintly better or worse than others (eg. Finnish people).

I do, however, agree that the French suck.

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Re: Foreigners
« Reply #80 on: April 21, 2012, 01:07:20 PM »
are in some ways inherintly better or worse than others (eg. Finnish people).

What if they really are? Should we just deny the facts? I don't know if gypsies are an ethnic group, but really, what they ever achieved? Romania and Poland are poorest countries in the world. They should really do something about it.

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Re: Foreigners
« Reply #81 on: April 21, 2012, 02:18:05 PM »
are in some ways inherintly better or worse than others (eg. Finnish people).

What if they really are? Should we just deny the facts? I don't know if gypsies are an ethnic group, but really, what they ever achieved? Romania and Poland are poorest countries in the world. They should really do something about it.

Facts ? Coming from the guy who thinks Poland is one of the poorest countries in the world ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita )... You should read more before posting stuff like this.

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Re: Foreigners
« Reply #82 on: April 21, 2012, 04:00:24 PM »
A smart guy has written this earlier in this thread:
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Racism was proven wrong a long ago […] Should we just deny the facts?
'Nuff said.

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Re: Foreigners
« Reply #83 on: April 21, 2012, 09:34:51 PM »
Facts ? Coming from the guy who thinks Poland is one of the poorest countries in the world ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita )... You should read more before posting stuff like this.

Wikipedia doesn't note the fact how education deteriorated in the past 20 years in Poland or that they haven't built new railroad tracks since 80's, or that one official is able to ruin a prospering company just for fun, or that their government only cares about looking good in tables like the one you have linked against. So the racists may be actually right.
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Re: Foreigners
« Reply #84 on: April 22, 2012, 02:10:54 AM »
Hahaha, this thread is soaked in political uncorrectness.. I lllove this!  ;D
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Re: Foreigners
« Reply #85 on: April 22, 2012, 04:50:37 PM »
Actual racism is much smaller problem than let's say immigration. But we humans never seem to detect and understand real problems. Like americans think terrorists are the problem, but the real problem is their own need to dominate world and resources.

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Re: Foreigners
« Reply #86 on: April 22, 2012, 06:41:50 PM »
Hahaha, this thread is soaked in political uncorrectness.. I lllove this!  ;D

I concur.


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Re: Foreigners
« Reply #87 on: April 22, 2012, 08:56:02 PM »
Actual racism is much smaller problem than let's say immigration. But we humans never seem to detect and understand real problems. Like americans think terrorists are the problem, but the real problem is their own need to dominate world and resources.

  Please note that as an American I judge intellect by one's take on the 'terrorist' issue. Most Americans think we are a terrorist target because terrorists hate our freedom. Seriously. The government backs this shit up. The 'news' networks back it up as well. Most of our 'news' sources are just fronts for a political party and/or the official line. So it's hard to get to the bottom of things, to see things as they are. Sad really.

  Racism is a major problem in the US and has been for a long time. It's become tied with immigration in the last couple decades. If you are black in the US you are many times more likely to go to prison for the same crimes as a white person. The same is true for other races of Americans but not as bad as for blacks. Something like 1/3 black men will be in prison in their lives. We currently have 1/100 men in prison in the US. 3% of the total population is incarcerated or on restriction (probation/parole). It's just crazy.

  But we aren't a police state. Nope. By far the highest incarceration rate in the world. But not a police state.

*Note that none of the above excuses criminal behavior in the individual, statistics only comment on society. Not the individual.

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Re: Foreigners
« Reply #88 on: April 23, 2012, 09:42:39 AM »
 Racism is a major problem in the US and has been for a long time. It's become tied with immigration in the last couple decades. If you are black in the US you are many times more likely to go to prison for the same crimes as a white person. The same is true for other races of Americans but not as bad as for blacks. Something like 1/3 black men will be in prison in their lives. We currently have 1/100 men in prison in the US. 3% of the total population is incarcerated or on restriction (probation/parole). It's just crazy.

Jo is a racist- Categorizing actions taken against individuals BASED UPON RACE is without respect to each individual case in which crimes are committed and sentences made. If it turns out that black people just happen to commit more crimes, THEN IT'S OKAY. THE SYSTEM IS FINE. It may also be that white people just happen to  be innocent more often than blacks.

The hilarious thing is that MOST of the crimes black people commit are against OTHER BLACK people. The FBI publishes (on their website) yearly statistics of crimes that result in murders- the last time I was doing research on it (2003), 80% of ALL crimes involving murder (since the 70's) were black people killing black people (in most cases involving theft of some kind). The statistics DO NOT FAVOR black people!

That said- If you submit two job applications where the only thing different is the name and one person is named "James" and the other is named "Shiquandaniqua," it's shamefully racist who is going to get the job. Statistics show that "James" will find a job significantly faster- unless the hiring agency needs to satisfy race/gender hiring requirements for tax breaks.

Companies look at statistics and see that black people, historically, commit more crimes. The fact that the former is true results in the latter. I was working in retail on Manhattan right in Union Square. Our store raked in 100k of sales each Saturday. Probably 80% of the shoplifting that took place- split evenly between Blacks and Latinos. We can call this racism, but the reality of it is that these conceptions developed organically.

The days of senseless lynching racism has been over (at least in places where it matters) for a long time. Now it seems to be predicated on the body of behavior that they have provided.

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Re: Foreigners
« Reply #89 on: April 23, 2012, 04:09:28 PM »
If you are black in the US you are many times more likely to go to prison for the same crimes as a white person.

So blacks should commit no crimes at all and everyone would be happy. The problem is that they do commit crimes and just shouting around that blacks and whites are equal won't solve the problem.
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