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Re: CRAWL I HATE YOU TO DEATH
« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2010, 01:36:31 AM »
IIRC there was a person who has won 5 or 6 times in a row, or something like this. So don't tell me that Crawl is random. Also from my experiences, when I lose, I usually see how that could be avoided. Maybe you have just picked a wrong character? Or you had some extreme bad luck? (Things like you mention happen, but are rare IME)

I don't know how anyone could enjoy chance deaths in roguelike. Death to careless characters, glory to those who know how to avoid it!

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Re: CRAWL I HATE YOU TO DEATH
« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2010, 05:00:23 AM »
Well. I turn around the cornder and ... I see Terence! On DL2!
He is FASTER than me. I do not have scrolls of TP yet.
I can't even scratch him.
What smart move can save me???
I can't make gap between us to escape with stairs.

OOD monsters are very annoying thing in crawl.
Especially on DL2, when there is a high chance that you don't have any
means of escaping yet.

Also crawl imposes false difficulty thru hidden mechanics.
You don't know how much damage you deal, you don't know how much hp
monsters have. You don't really know actuall impact of str and dex on combat!
IMO that sux even more than OOD monsters.
I need to source-dive or wiki-dive to figure out many many things critical for
proper character development.
Yes, it's true, that by trying many many times you can finally win.
If you have statistical kind of thinking and can quickly figure out and remember
probabilities by observing several combats with different parameters,
than it's good for you... but not so good for average person.

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Re: CRAWL I HATE YOU TO DEATH
« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2010, 10:09:55 PM »
I think the longest winning streak is in the teens... you'd have to ask the crazies on the IRC channel to make sure. Myself, I think if I had $100 riding on the game, if I had my choice of race and class, I'd give myself something like 66.7% odds of success. Plenty of deaths due to carelessness, though.

The basic rule of thumb for weapon use (outside of short blades and quarterstaves, which are the freebies) is that you should gradually move toward weightier versions of your chosen weapon type as you become more skilled with the weapon type, but you should balance this guideline against the types of weapons you're actually finding.

As far as Terrence goes, were you playing a naga? Unless Terrence spawned with a wand, which does happen rarely, he's generally nothing to worry about. The real threat is Sigmund...

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Re: CRAWL I HATE YOU TO DEATH
« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2010, 02:02:52 PM »
As far as Terrence goes, were you playing a naga? Unless Terrence spawned with a wand, which does happen rarely, he's generally nothing to worry about. The real threat is Sigmund...
I was kobold assassin. Dagger was my only weapon. And success rate of the only spell was Terrible.

I know that there are powerhouse race+class combinations.
But it's rather boring to win again and again by the same race+class, no?

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Re: CRAWL I HATE YOU TO DEATH
« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2010, 10:01:54 PM »
You are quite right, which is why my win ratio is maybe 1:50. Your assassin could have curared Terrance, though. Don't assassins still get curare needles to start?

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Re: CRAWL I HATE YOU TO DEATH
« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2010, 05:18:14 PM »
You are quite right, which is why my win ratio is maybe 1:50.
My ration is much lower I think :)
In fact I have four 3-runes wins and one 12 runes. And none all-runes.

Your assassin could have curared Terrance, though. Don't assassins still get curare needles to start?
Sorry, it was stalker, not assassin.

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Re: CRAWL I HATE YOU TO DEATH
« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2010, 11:43:57 AM »
I have played hundreds and hundreds of games of Crawl and I have never once even seen a rune.

Last week I saw the Vault for the first time ever.

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Re: CRAWL I HATE YOU TO DEATH
« Reply #22 on: December 21, 2010, 02:45:38 PM »
The longest Crawl winning streak is 20 wins long,

SpEn, SEAs, DDCK, HEFE, MfTm, DSIE, CeHe, HaBe, DECj, TrWr, DrAE, GhMo, DGRe, KoHu, HuCr, MiGl, MDFi, NaSt, HOPa, VpSu

It features no repeating races or classes and was set by elliptic in September 2010.