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Developing Roguelikes in BYOND
« on: August 01, 2007, 04:07:17 AM »
Hi, everyone. This is my first post here. By way of introduction, I've been a fan of Roguelikes for a long time, having played Rogue, Nethack, and a bit of Crawl (mostly just those) in my spare time. I can't say I'm an expert player of any of them but I do love the genre, especially the sheer imagination of it. So much in fact that I actually wrote a short story around the premise, and I'm hoping to get that published in a collection on lulu.com when time permits.

Anyway, I don't know if anyone here has heard of it, but there's a game platform called BYOND that allows you to create your own tile-based games (including the use of text mode), which is quite well suited for Roguelikes, graphical or otherwise. It was originally designed for graphical MUDs. I've been part of that community for almost six years now, but I'm still dismayed at the dearth of good Roguelikes there. Right now I run a BYOND guild called Dungeon Crawlers, where my goal is to get a lot of BYOND users more interested in developing and playing Roguelikes. (That way even if I don't have as much time to develop my own, I can play theirs!) Through one of the users there I was told about this site, and I've been enjoying the news here since. (The story on AGB Rogue specifically fascinated me, since I own a DS Lite and the idea of portable Rogue is really awesome. I've been playing a bit with modifying the controls.) Since then I got to thinking, I wonder if more of the Roguelike community at large would be interested in using BYOND as a development platform.

Just to give you an idea of what to expect, the BYOND platform is an interpreter for a custom language called DM, which is actually one of the friendliest languages I've ever worked with without sacrificing flexibility (my other all-time favorite is TADS). It's especially a good choice for C-phobics who'd rather get into the meat of the game than mess with structs and pointers. It also has built-in multiplayer support, although that probably isn't of as much use to the Roguelike community (though if anyone has ideas on how to make a multiplayer RL work well, do let me know).

So hey, if anyone's got any interest or ideas, feel free to stop by Dungeon Crawlers, or even respond here. My top picks for dungeon crawls on BYOND right now are Darke Dungeon (more a crawl than a true Roguelike, but good; hosted on weekends), Ruin, and my own simple game Runt. It's not much yet, but it's a start, and the whole point of the guild is to encourage more development there.

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Re: Developing Roguelikes in BYOND
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2007, 10:45:48 PM »
Hi Lummox, and welcome to the roguetemple.

I had already noticed the Dungeon Crawlers guild :) it is nice to see such a living comunity caring about roguelikes, and there are some interesting points out there!

I will be sure to check out these existing roguelikes including yours; may be interesting for a post on the homepage.

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Re: Developing Roguelikes in BYOND
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2007, 07:39:42 PM »
That's cool! I had no idea anyone outside of BYOND had heard of the guild yet. How'd you find out about it?

Sadly I haven't had time to build a proper Roguelike, at least not yet. Runt was developed for one of BYOND's occasional 4K competitions--building the best game with 4K of code, but unlimited other resources--so it's severely stripped down, but still quite fun to play. It is, interestingly, extensible, although no one has ever built new maps or creatures or weapons as of yet.

The AGB Rogue source has given me some good insights into what it would take to develop a more robust Roguelike. Rogue remains my favorite of the genre, because it's so simple yet still challenging and fun. Nethack has more to discover, and it's nice you can eat corpses to keep up your food supply, but in some ways it just has too much going on, and I'm not a fan of all the nasty-surprise scrolls like fire and amnesia.
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Re: Developing Roguelikes in BYOND
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2007, 09:29:23 PM »
By checking the referral list to roguetemple IIRC... I find interesting sites there from time to time :)

Yeah... Iwas on a kind of Rogue beserking rage two months ago and I liked it a lot. Sadly it just gets unfair from lv15 onward  :(