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Websites => Off-topic (Locked) => Topic started by: Krice on September 07, 2012, 07:19:23 AM
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Thinking of getting Mac mini. I need something useful after buying two completely useless PC laptops (one with atom and fujitsu). I need a quiet, small regular computer (I hate laptops, now more than ever) and Mac mini is possibly the only option there is. I don't need a super powerful computer so I guess the cheapest version will be ok, but maybe with 2->4Gb memory.
I have an old non-wide screen monitor which can be a problem, but even with a new monitor the price doesn't sound too much. I'm thinking of using Studio One (daw) with Mac and possibly for something else too (writing).
Do you have anything against this or should I become a Mac assh-- I mean user.
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Well Krice you seem like the type of guy that likes to be able to get at the guts of his system.
Macs are for people that just want it to work and don't care about performance, availability of programs, etc...
I'd never go MAC myself. For me it's like soccer. Where I'm from only the weaklings and mama's boys go that route.
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PS: I'm well aware that total badasses play soccer. But not in the US. Only the kids who's mommies won't let them play football, basketball, baseball or hockey end up playing soccer. And girls.
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But not in the US. Only the kids who's mommies won't let them play football, basketball, baseball or hockey end up playing soccer. And girls.
The reason why soccer isn't popular in US is that you need to be fit to play it. In american football they don't run that much, just wait for someone to throw that elliptical "ball". Same with baseball, you only have to run short distances once a while.
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I have a Mac Mini (but running Linux, of course), that I got around seven years ago, and I'm happy about the hardware. It's not my work station any longer, but sits in the living room for watching films, casual browsing, etc. The only downside I can think of, at the top of my head, is that the thing seems welded shut, so you'll not be able to replace the optical drive when it dies on you, for instance.
Soccer? I dunno. Rugby seems much more intellectually stimulating.
As always,
Minotauros
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only downside I can think of, at the top of my head, is that the thing seems welded shut, so you'll not be able to replace the optical drive when it dies on you, for instance.
The new model is different. It doesn't have an optical drive and there is a big round cap on the bottom side which you can open to install memory.
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But not in the US. Only the kids who's mommies won't let them play football, basketball, baseball or hockey end up playing soccer. And girls.
The reason why soccer isn't popular in US is that you need to be fit to play it. In american football they don't run that much, just wait for someone to throw that elliptical "ball". Same with baseball, you only have to run short distances once a while.
Actually I just told you why it's not popular here. No need to make up ignorant nonsense. It's getting much more popular all the time though. By your reasoning that would mean Americans are becoming fitter. Yep. That's what's happening. Lol.
We have a very diverse population, so there are several 'most popular' sports. Football is the biggest, but in many areas basketball or baseball are bigger. Mixed martial arts and hockey are #2 in many areas. This has been consistent since before Americans became fat as fuck. By your reasoning golf should be the most popular.
Apparently the fitness of the population has little bearing on the fitness of the athletes. The US and Britain are the least 'fit' nations on the planet, yet they did very well in the olympics. Even per capita they did better than Finland, which by all accounts is a very fit nation.
The two do not equate. On a personal note I'm fat as hell. 271 lbs.
As for getting a Mac, do you really think you be happy with one of those things?
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The US and Britain are the least 'fit' nations on the planet, yet they did very well in the olympics.
I think money can explain that. Finland is the second poorest country in the world after Poland so there is less chance for people to become athletes. Summer sports are also diffcult, because we have 8 month winter. It's no surprise that we are pretty good in hockey.
As for getting a Mac, do you really think you be happy with one of those things?
I guess Mac is like PC, but it's quiet and OS doesn't eat 1Gb of memory. Let's hope so anyway.
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Finland is the second poorest country in the world after Poland so there is less chance for people to become athletes.
Poland is poorer than Burundi, Congo, and Haiti huh? The recession in Europe must be worse than we realized! :P
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Finland is the second poorest country in the world after Poland so there is less chance for people to become athletes.
Poland is poorer than Burundi, Congo, and Haiti huh? The recession in Europe must be worse than we realized! :P
Har, har. Take comfort in the fact that Krice has taken a holy vow always to write a line of code before he trolls (his version of a "swearing jar", I guess), meaning Kaduria should be released any day now ;)
As always,
Minotauros
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I'd never go MAC myself. For me it's like soccer. Where I'm from only the weaklings and mama's boys go that route.
PS: I'm well aware that total badasses play soccer. But not in the US. Only the kids who's mommies won't let them play football, basketball, baseball or hockey end up playing soccer. And girls.
Wow, is that how it is now? I was on a high school soccer team in the U.S. a couple decades back and broke my arm, twice (not from falling--from other guys ramming into me), tripped and hurt a hell of a lot of other guys, and the captain of the team was kicked in the face so hard he had to have reconstructive surgery when the lower half of one side of his face was smashed in. Soccer can get pretty nasty, and there were definitely no momma's boys... Guess it depends on where you are. Baseball is where the wimps were at--what a boring sport to play.
Oh, and Macs are for anyone who doesn't actually want much control over their computer. Annoying as hell... (I was forced to use them for years in an office I worked in at one point. Going back to my own PC was like... FREEEEDOM!!!)
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Oh, and Macs are for anyone who doesn't actually want much control over their computer. Annoying as hell... (I was forced to use them for years in an office I worked in at one point. Going back to my own PC was like... FREEEEDOM!!!)
Yeah. All Apple products are like a powder compact with a built-in display. I don't even consider them as computers. That's why there is no Mac version of Fame (and there will never be).
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There are PC Mac Mini-likes. Look here,
http://www.thebookpc.com/
(my high school soccer team was pretty rough btw)
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There are PC Mac Mini-likes.
If there was one with modern processor (i-series) and very quiet fan (laptop-like) I could be interested. But where you can find something like that?
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On a MacDonalds sign apparently.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/01/intel-mini-computer-core-i5-powered-nuc/
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(my high school soccer team was pretty rough btw)
Anecdotally surely plenty of tough dudes play soccer in the US. Do not mistake sweeping generalities for statements about individuals. The image of soccer in the US is that it is for candy asses. That does not mean that any individual is a candy ass. See the difference?
MAC's are for people that don't know how to use a computer. That's the generality, that does not mean that there aren't plenty of fully capable users working with Macs. Generalities say nothing about individual instances.
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I have a mac mini I bought about 3 years ago (summer 2009), and it's been great so far - totally silent, fast enough (despite being the lower end model but with 4gb ram), never had any technical issues with the hardware. I use it to compile mac and ios versions of my apps while using my sony vaio netbook for most day to day computing stuff (I prefer windows 7 to mac os x).
Would gladly buy another mac mini the day it drops dead or becomes too slow (can't see that becoming the case soon tho). You pay a bit more than the equivalent mini-pc but you get top notch built quality & good quality parts (& I can say the same about the sony netbook compared to local no-name brand or previous dell & acer laptops I had that routinely had technical issues).
Unless you really like building PCs from scratch & can pick your own quality components just give apple the 100 euros premium & know you're getting decent hardware (the same is less true for higher end models where the premium apple charges is higher - the mac mini is their best value computer).
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I use it to compile mac and ios versions of my apps
What kind of C++ -compilers Mac has anyway? It doesn't have Visual C++ which is not cool. I guess Objective-C is some kind of Mac specific thing.
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gcc, xcode
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Well, I finally did it. And it's great, better than I thought. MacOS has some unix anomalies like when programs are "devices" when you download them and then you have to drag-and-drop them to applications, but it's ok. Also when I start Studio One it says do you want to run this program, "it was downloaded from internet". Well where do you usually download stuff?
I have this as secondary computer (studio/music is the thing I'm going to do), I didn't throw PC away.
Only problem this far is the "displayport wake up" trouble so many people seem to have. Sometimes (randomly) displayport doesn't work at start up, the monitor says "no signal". I have to scroll to different input from the monitor's menu, then go back to displayport and it's fixed. It's not that bad, because this isn't my main computer.
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Mac mini with corei7 is my main computer at work and I really like it.
It's silent yet powerful. Apple periodically screwing something in mac os x, but usually in a non-fatal way :)
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It's pretty gay that you can't use a "PC formatted" USB drive to save files. I need to figure out some way to back up music projects.
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I don't see how that has any connection to being gay.
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Krice, I think you can format your usb thingies with FAT filesystems to read/write in Windows as well as OSX. Alternatively, search for stuff you can install on OSX to be able to read and write to filesystems like ntfs.
I don't see how that has any connection to being gay.
Lol, I already had a long flamewar with Krice about this, years ago.
As always,
Minotauros
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I don't see how that has any connection to being gay.
It's gay if it sucks.
I'm planning to get WD Mybook studio 2TB external hard disk. It has firewire-connection (and usb) and it's formatted to Mac already. Those things are also cheap like bananas.
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It's odd that when you try to install a printer MacOS knows the type of the printer, but you need to download the driver for it. It's like return to 1980's.
Also I don't like the way you need App Store to update OS or programs that came with it. Why can't it just update the OS like Windows? I mean, like automatic update and that stuff. Not only that, I got a message from Apple that someone had used my Apple ID to accept iPhoto. I guess it was some kind of glitch, but I changed the password. Apple ID sucks as much as Windows Live ID, or even more.