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Re: The Codex of The Temple - Rules of Behaviour
« Reply #30 on: May 22, 2014, 12:07:23 PM »
Is it too much to ask to ban sexism from the forums?

That wasn't a sexist message, just a fact.. I think what we should ban from this forum is hate against people like me. It's not my fault I'm better than you - at everything.

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Re: The Codex of The Temple - Rules of Behaviour
« Reply #31 on: May 23, 2014, 07:58:19 AM »
I have really big issue with people not treated equally (be it gender, colour, sexual orientation or other equality). It is really sickening what kind of crap people have to deal with in professional environment and we do not need any of that in the forums. I really would like to see this dealt with in an appropriate manner and not just "lets not offend anyone and lets play nice together".

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Re: The Codex of The Temple - Rules of Behaviour
« Reply #32 on: May 23, 2014, 09:15:37 AM »
I have really big issue with people not treated equally

Treating people equally and what they are are two different things. Then again.. WHAT do these knights mean when they say "treat equally"? It's in fact not possible to do it. You don't treat equally your friends and let's say a terrorist. Or some ugly fat woman and Scarlett Johansson. They are not equal, no one can treat people equally in all circumstances. Well.. except maybe a buddhist monk, but which one of us is one? People take these things to the extreme, like "treating people equally" or "anti-racism" and they attack everyone who isn't a believer of these lies.

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Re: The Codex of The Temple - Rules of Behaviour
« Reply #33 on: May 23, 2014, 09:52:08 AM »
I have really big issue with people not treated equally

Treating people equally and what they are are two different things. Then again.. WHAT do these knights mean when they say "treat equally"? It's in fact not possible to do it. You don't treat equally your friends and let's say a terrorist. Or some ugly fat woman and Scarlett Johansson. They are not equal, no one can treat people equally in all circumstances. Well.. except maybe a buddhist monk, but which one of us is one? People take these things to the extreme, like "treating people equally" or "anti-racism" and they attack everyone who isn't a believer of these lies.

If you read again, what I wrote, you'll notice that I said "equally" not "same". Equally, as "I don't think you are stupid, because you are different colour/gender/orientation", not as "I don't think you are stupid, even if you are.".
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Re: The Codex of The Temple - Rules of Behaviour
« Reply #34 on: May 24, 2014, 09:54:38 AM »
Can we just ban this idiot. Please.
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Re: The Codex of The Temple - Rules of Behaviour
« Reply #35 on: May 24, 2014, 10:13:48 AM »
As a new forum member, I can say that I haven't been scared off by Krice's posts. I rather had a laugh here and there rather than was offended, even though I don't agree with what he says.

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The fact is this forum used to be an island of peace in an interweb full of bullshit. Krice was just our cranky uncle we ignored. But in the past little bit he's become a hateful cunt. His bullshit "logic" does nothing to assuage that.

This is a site about roguelikes, not jews or Russians or your little wiener or women or his bullshit politics. The offtopic forum is fine, Krice. Chill the fuck out on the rest. Seriously. I'll still visit your site and comment from time to time. I still think you are the worst the internet has to offer, an intelligent person who intellectualizes their bigotry.

You are better at everything? That's a delusion. Your roguelike Teemu has less traffic than my 7DRL, let alone a top 7DRL or a full fledged game. Your addition to the roguelike scene is ZERO. And your Kaduria will never amount to anything. I hold out hope though, because if anything you know how to program. How to interact with humans? How to hold a bigger picture of humanity? Nay. But how to program? You got that.

Better at everything? When we meet and I'll slap you around like the weak fat little bitch you are, what then? Do you think you are better at that? Nay. I'll video tape it and post it here and be a hero. If you'd ever show up at a roguelike gathering the bitch slap will happen, they are always just a short jaunt away from your home but you never show. Because you are a coward. Trolls hate the light. They live under bridges. Being deported would be so worth it.

It awaits to be seen if you can pull of a game that fits your narrow definition of roguelike. I'd love to play it. But you will not succeed. Teemu is barely interesting. I'm a shit game maker and have made a game far more interesting in 7 days.

In the interim, whining in your cave, you ruin these forums.

I actually skip past your posts Krice, file them over "cunt idiot yammers about his little dick."

Krice should be banned forever. This would increase participation. Tolerance is not about tolerating intolerance, it's about intolerating intolerance.

Krice is a shameful member of our community.

Feel free to check my post history. I'm a very reasonable guy. Friendly.

Here's what strikes me in such discussions - too often people who label themselves 'tolerant' are in fact full of hate towards people who don't share their opinions. If you ask me, that isn't any better than hating blacks because they're black or hating women because they're women.

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Re: The Codex of The Temple - Rules of Behaviour
« Reply #36 on: May 24, 2014, 01:57:11 PM »
I hate to post in a minefield, but guys, there's no rule change or collective agreement you can make that will work as well as a couple of benevolent dictators working behind the scenes. People with good conscience and a sense of order (Getter and AgingMinotaur come to mind) should simply make holistic decisions as they see fit. The maesters don't hold Westeros together; Varys does. There's really no need for this discussion.

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Re: The Codex of The Temple - Rules of Behaviour
« Reply #37 on: May 24, 2014, 06:20:43 PM »
Here's what strikes me in such discussions - too often people who label themselves 'tolerant' are in fact full of hate towards people who don't share their opinions. If you ask me, that isn't any better than hating blacks because they're black or hating women because they're women.
Really? Do you seriously not see the difference between hating someone because of their opinions/beliefs and hating someone because of an unchangeable physical characteristic?
I mean, even if you don't believe someone can change their beliefs, they can certainly keep them to themselves, especially in a discussion that has nothing whatsoever to do with those beliefs. Sure, on the Internet, someone could hide their race/gender, but that would involve a lot more work.
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Re: The Codex of The Temple - Rules of Behaviour
« Reply #38 on: May 24, 2014, 07:58:46 PM »
Here's what strikes me in such discussions - too often people who label themselves 'tolerant' are in fact full of hate towards people who don't share their opinions. If you ask me, that isn't any better than hating blacks because they're black or hating women because they're women.
Really? Do you seriously not see the difference between hating someone because of their opinions/beliefs and hating someone because of an unchangeable physical characteristic?
I mean, even if you don't believe someone can change their beliefs, they can certainly keep them to themselves, especially in a discussion that has nothing whatsoever to do with those beliefs. Sure, on the Internet, someone could hide their race/gender, but that would involve a lot more work.

Obviously he's referring to the deleted post he quotes and overreacting. I would say threatening to assault someone if they show up at the same event as you edges out Krice's obnoxious interweb commentary in terms of metrics like "similarity to Hitler," etc.

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Re: The Codex of The Temple - Rules of Behaviour
« Reply #39 on: May 24, 2014, 08:01:12 PM »
Hello folks,

I am hereby granting executive power to the the moderators to:

* Delete the content of offending posts, replacing them with the text: "(Deleted as offensive)", at their discretion
* Delete posts regarding discussion about deletion.
* Delete offending threads at their discretion
* Mark continuous offenders with the shameful title of "Troll" on their forum profiles should they continue displaying offending behavior.

Behavior considered offensive consists on the following:
* Discrimination against someone based on his race, gender, nationality, sexual orientation or beliefs

Examples of messages posted by Krice here qualify as offensive. These discussions are regarded as non-constructive in the Temple of The Roguelike forums, the codex has been updated accordingly.
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Re: The Codex of The Temple - Rules of Behaviour
« Reply #40 on: May 25, 2014, 04:33:53 AM »
Hello folks,

I am hereby granting executive power to the the moderators to:

* Delete the content of offending posts, replacing them with the text: "(Deleted as offensive)", at their discretion
* Delete posts regarding discussion about deletion.
* Delete offending threads at their discretion
* Mark continuous offenders with the shameful title of "Troll" on their forum profiles should they continue displaying offending behavior.

Behavior considered offensive consists on the following:
* Discrimination against someone based on his race, gender, nationality, sexual orientation or beliefs

Examples of messages posted by Krice here qualify as offensive. These discussions are regarded as non-constructive in the Temple of The Roguelike forums, the codex has been updated accordingly.
There's an element of contradiction in this, after all, aren't you discriminating against Krice based on his beliefs? 

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Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
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Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

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Re: The Codex of The Temple - Rules of Behaviour
« Reply #41 on: May 25, 2014, 04:40:21 AM »
Here's what strikes me in such discussions - too often people who label themselves 'tolerant' are in fact full of hate towards people who don't share their opinions. If you ask me, that isn't any better than hating blacks because they're black or hating women because they're women.
Really? Do you seriously not see the difference between hating someone because of their opinions/beliefs and hating someone because of an unchangeable physical characteristic?
I mean, even if you don't believe someone can change their beliefs, they can certainly keep them to themselves, especially in a discussion that has nothing whatsoever to do with those beliefs. Sure, on the Internet, someone could hide their race/gender, but that would involve a lot more work.
*sigh*  But can Krice keep it to himself?  He has often posted sad posts which reflect a challenged life.  You could accept he might be intellectually handicapped, some degree of chromosome damage, or to a lesser degree have autistic, aspergers, and ignoring his nonsense and taking what he has to offer positively and discouraging the rest without being hurtful.  Instead, his occasional outburst of  tourette syndrome or whatever, is piled upon gleefully.  Post after post is made of hateful stuff.  It's okay to be the hater, if you can get the community to see you're hating in the name of what's right.

We ostracise someone who has problems, yet something to offer, simply because the most vocal and likely least productive bellyache endlessly.

It's too bad that the easiest solution we turn to, at the egging of the vocal minority, is to stone the leper.

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Re: The Codex of The Temple - Rules of Behaviour
« Reply #42 on: May 25, 2014, 04:42:35 AM »
I've said my piece about how this is wrong.  I'll stop posting on it now.

But the last thing I wish to point out is that how this invisible deletion has gone so wrong on other forums.  There needs to be a record of all moderator actions so that they are accountable for their actions.  I've seen too many an entitled moderator pushing his own agenda, and deleting at will.  Have an official thread somewhere where all moderators have to record all deletions.

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Re: The Codex of The Temple - Rules of Behaviour
« Reply #43 on: May 25, 2014, 10:12:02 AM »
I agree that moderation action should be public, so that others understand why action has been taken. Lessons won't be learned if it all happens invisibly.

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Re: The Codex of The Temple - Rules of Behaviour
« Reply #44 on: May 25, 2014, 02:13:10 PM »
Beliefs as in religion/spiritual beliefs, which is different as unrestricted offending opinions.

We decided against banning users because we won't judge individuals as a whole but rather prevent individual actions from disturbing and blocking or straying out discussion. We believe trolls have something interesting to say from time to time.

I believe our select and very small group of moderators can do a good job at this, plus we think a lot before taking actions like this. I like the idea of the moderation log though. (http://forums.roguetemple.com/index.php?topic=4161.0)

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